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This outdoor season is going to be one of the deepest years of talent in PA's history, that much is clear. However, call me pessimistic, but I don't see any of the state records going down this year on the distance side. Here are the marks:

800m: 1:48.86 Drew Magaha
1600m: 4:03.22 Paul Vandegrift
3200m: 8:49.84 Paul Springer
4x800m: 7:33.48 CB South

The toughest one to me is that 1600m. 4:03.22 is no joke. The closest guy by PR is probably Russell at around a 4:10 conversion. That's a massive 7 second drop he would have to make to get down to the time. The drop would be even more for someone like Coyle or Huemmler. And in order to have these guys push for this time they would need a race set up to come through in close to 2 flat. Russell's focus will likely be on the 32 rather than the 16 this year which makes a record chase even more difficult. Magaha, who ran 4:07.28, still over 4 seconds off the record, just had so much more raw closing speed than the other runners in their group and his kick was lethal. I don't see anyone coming after this record this year.

I think the 2nd biggest long shot of any of these is the 7:33. I really like both Bensalem and CV's teams on paper but the splits on CB South's record setting relay back on the day were 1:55, 1:55, 1:53, 1:49. The 1:49 is going to be tough to duplicate for anybody in the state, but on a perfect day Rivera and Kunzweiler could be close. 1:53 for each team's second leg is fairly reasonable as well I'd imagine. Coburn is running great right now and Kyle Francis was down around 1:54-1:55 on the double indoors so he has the potential for a split like that as well. But to pull two 1:55 guys out of guys running around 2 flat or slower right now is going to be tough. Not impossible by any means, Manion and Dickson made great strides over the course of outdoors, but as of right now 7:33 just seems to be a bit out of the question.

A couple weeks ago, I would have said the 800m was one of the biggest long shots, but I have come around to change my mind. It's still a huge long shot in my mind, it would be very difficult to for someone to throw down that fast of a mark. But the state has so much depth around the 1:51-1:52 mark that all it takes is a fast race and a breakout performance and the record could be gone. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it will happen and it will take some serious fortune to get it, but I could at least see a situation or two where it's possible. The main front runner is Logue at this point who just showed impressive 1500m strength that I don't think a lot of people (including me) saw coming. Kunzweiler and Coyle were both 1:51 a year ago and Stone and Rivera are both 1:52 guys. All have been making fairly positive strides and only need 1 or 2 second improvements to be at 1:50, a truly phenomenal mark. 

The 3200m is definitely most likely to go down, but even this race I have a tough time jumping on board for it's demise. If it happens it will have to happen either at Henderson or Outdoor Nationals. The weather at states is going to be far from ideal for a 3200m runner. The competition will be there, but the chance at state gold or a state medal usually throws record setting marks out of the window. I believe only once has anyone run sub 9 at the state championships. The other fast marks come from traveling around and getting in fast night meets. 8:49.84 is a pair of 4:24s in a row. Anyone who doesn't have a PR under 4:15 or so in the 1600 has virtually no shot at the record if you consider that fact. Russell and Norris are the two front runners to snag a fast mark and hopefully they can show down at Henderson. There are lots of other fast 3200m guys out there and this could be a truly legendary year in terms of sub 9:10 and sub 9 minute marks, but 8:49 is blazing fast and the top returner from a year ago ran 9:11. That means if Mac Emery drops 22 seconds he gets the record. Anyone else has to drop at least 25 to get the record. That is a mammoth drop to make in one season. Not impossible with the talent and depth in this group, but certainly going to take a well set up race.


47 comments:

  1. WOW Cumv freshman maddie clahane goes 215.1 today in duel meet,vs carlisle shetrain where are you?

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    1. That's my 800 split. Kind of depressing that I'm as fast as a freshman girl.

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    2. Kunzweiler also runs a 1:56.7 to win the 800. 4x800 runs 8:08 in a dual meet which is virtually unheard of for MidPenn races.

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    3. Freshman from Germantown Friends girls track runs a 2:13.

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    4. 2:13.4 relay split confirmed- Milesplit has the DMR video posted from Colonial Relays in VA.

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    5. Also have to realize that this meet was against State College. Cather and Adams were pushing the pace in all of the races.

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    6. Oh and Cather supposedly split 49 in the 4x4. That would be a big accomplishment and would definitely help him get his 800 time down for the end of the season.

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    7. Cather and Adams quadrupled events at Chambersburg yesterday. 4x8, 1600, 3200, 4x4 for Cather. Cather supposedly jogged the first three, including a 4:23 1600 and then hit the 49. Adams did the same thing, only he ran the open 800 instead of the 3200. Adams paced another teammate to sub two also, which would make four guys for State College 2 flat or under already this early on.

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    8. And CV and SC haven't raced head to head this year, so I'm not sure what some of these comments are saying. They both are scheduled to race at Pan Ram Saturday, which should be real exciting. It looks like each of them found the number four guys they need to make a run at the state title.

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    9. State College going from solid sleeper pick indoors to one of the favorites for a state title outdoors in a quick turn of events, I can't wait to see them put their A team on the track in the right race

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    10. I think 752 will win it sat

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    11. Also watch out for Red Lion at Pan Ram. I don't think they will win but they have the potential to run a pretty good time. Definitely under 8:10, possibly even under 8:05.

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    12. any chance we will see central dauphin there? also a very good team outta d3

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    13. awkward, the meet is at CD, anyway here is the performance list: http://pa.milesplit.com/meets/134894/attachment/241163

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    14. Imagine Stage colleges 4x800 if Russell didn't move from that area. He's definitely running sub 1:55 by the end of the year if he does an 800, or at penn if they run the 4x8

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  2. Why are they running so hard? There's no way they were contested at an 8:08 and 1:56.

    Clahane ran that?! That's sick. I knew she would be good the first meet I saw her at... I didn't think she'd be this good so quickly. I could see her pushing the pace with Barrett/Smith at States. I haven't had time to write another article, just quickly-typed comments here and there. After today (Wednesday) I will be done all of my exams and papers. Hopefully I can put one together after this.

    Penn Relays acceptances...

    No Huemmler, Coyle, Russell, James, Zingarini, Emery, Harriman Savage, or Barchet. Idk if all of them would have made it... but... this DMR is about to go down!!!! I hope they they all go in for the DMR. This can be solid seeding for outdoor nationals too. I am excited.

    Joey Logue in the Mile is nuts! He has the speed, strength, and kick to run fast. Let's see if he can use it.

    -RTJ

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    1. Saw Chaborek at the DTW/WCE/WCH tri meet today. He said he pulled his hamstring and doesnt know when he'll be back running. Henderson DMR is looking more beatable, but Moy stepped up and won the 800 over Markle in 2:00

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    2. You would think that times were uncontested, but it was actually a very good meet. Check out the times at: http://www.cvschools.org/athletics.cfm?subpage=34832
      Just click on Live results under the CV vs Carlisle meet

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    3. Poor dude has pretty much lost his whole senior year running. It happens.

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  3. Actually Harriman is in the mile. Penntrack just forgot to highlight his name. http://pa.milesplit.com/articles/103638-high-school-individual-acceptances-to-the-penn-relays-carnival

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  4. When is the relays acceptance

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  5. Watchout for an upcoming freshman from Mifflin County, by the name of Brady T. Yeager he set a new PR of 2:53 in the 800. He has a close teammate behind by the name of Joey Bender also known as "Runt" who also ran a PR 2:56. They are teammates of the great Jon Colwell

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    1. Wow and all this time i thought a 1:53 was good

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    2. please... i'm dying here.

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    1. so it wasnt just me thinking this either.....

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    2. That's awesome about the Mifflin County guys. My 6th grade sister ran a 2:43 last week at a cyo meet, so I guess she's in good company.

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  7. I don't believe none of those records will be broken this year. Logue and russell perhaps may come close next year but I even have doubts. For a team to break the 4x800 all four runners would have to average 1:53.2 (not happening any time soon. 1600 is safe as well. the only person close to running that time would be Ed Chesorick and none of the PA runners are even close to his talent. as for 800, breaking 1:50 is no joke let alone 1:49 and shaving that 1 second is difficult. For 3200, I've seen a lot of talented runners and every year there anyway talks about someone breaking 9. Yet is hasn't happen in a long time. russell may have a legit shot at going under 9. He has improved his time immensely, but I'm not sure how much more he can shave off. He seems to do great success having front runners do the hard work so if he were to break 8:50, someone would have to be the rabbit.

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    1. Bernie montoya, he'd poop on chesereck in any race below a 2 mile.

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  8. Watch out for the Butler Invite tonight, the weather wont be 100% but western PA guys are making outdoor debuts.

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  9. The Fabulous Freshmans from Mifflin County went at it again last night. Brady, ran a new PR of 2:46 while Joey "Runt" Bender went 2:49. Like i said these are two runners to keep your eyes out for. Alec Kunzweiler won the race in about 2:00. His team mate Scott St. Peter got 2nd in about 2:03 with another freshman from Mifflin County rounding out the top 3 in 2:06.

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    1. Anything above 2:15 for a freshman isn't impressive at all.

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    2. That's the point...I think

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    3. I've seen slow freshman develop into really decent runners-you just never know. Whatever, it's not cool to rip anyone who's out there trying. Leave the freshmen alone.

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    4. Dude its a girls time...

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  10. Crazy fast 800 at the TFCAoGP meet. Joey Logue at 1:53 at this point of the season is very promising. Stone usually comes on hard at the end of the season, but I thought he'd be around where he is, maybe a little lower. I thought Coyle would be 1:53 with Logue, but the season is still young. Then we have Christian Hunter stepping up from the 400, running a 1:56, and beating runners like Belfatto and Boyle... impressive. Stellato showing his stuff as well running a 1:58.

    I wish the 4x800 was recorded. That seems like a heck of a race. Five teams, three seconds. Solid win by DTE

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  11. 800 record going down this year crazy fast times...

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  12. kunzwelier 154 running solo

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  13. CV beat State College as well
    CV 7:56.27
    State College 7:58.79

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  14. etrain you should put a banner ad on top of the blog or something. Nobody would mind and you could make some cash for the blog! Like for interviews or something

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    1. ^ I 100% agree, a banner or an ad here or there wouldn't make the blog any worse at all.

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  15. PA to be represented well at Penn Relays in the distance events. 4x8 and DMR lists now available. We're gonna see that La Salle v. Henderson duel in the DMR after all.

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    1. This is great news

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    2. Where are the lists?

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    3. Go on penn relay site click under high school

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  16. 15 0f 80 4x8 from PA 4 heats of 20.. cant find times on JAM. but top 5 times look like 752 centennial 753 ridewood 756 cumberland valley 758 state college 759 salesianum(could have missed teams but 1st glance that what i got)iam sure etrain will go in depth for us

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