I'm back home folks and I have punched my metaphorical ticket to the district one championships on friday. See some of you homies then.
Wow I can't believe I just said homies, let's pretend that didn't happen and get to the district preview work.
Also to whoever said they could get updates I'd love them if you are willing to post them up.
I'm going to make this post a preview for the following three districts:
District 7
District 3
District 1
I'm sorry for the limited amount of coverage, I know that's lame but I just don't have the time to put together more than this at the moment. I'm also trying to keep my posts relatively small and readable.
If you would like me to do another district, I encourage you to comment on here and I will see what I can do time permitting. D12 should be good but it is mostly just PCL squads and D11 and D6 should provide a few sleeper picks in the AAA races and D4 and D11 should provide a lot of studs in the AA race.
But on to the glory districts.
District 7
Favorites (in no particluar order)
800m: James Smith, Billy Dougherty, Ryan Lee, Dylan Wilhoite, Tyler Palenchak, Patrick Miller, Mike Becich, Mike Mizzanti, Chris Culley, Brett Foster, Thomas Reinhardt
There are a lot of wild cards in this race for sure. The WPIAL always manages to churn out a few solid 800m guys and had the surprise state champ a year ago in Wil Bailey. I don't think this district has any legit state title hopefuls but I do believe that one or two state meet finalists will reprsent District 7. Dylan Wilhoite has got to be one of the favorites to do that. He has run some solid marks in the low 1:56s and I think he could drop to 1:54-1:55 in the coming weeks. He runs for Penn Hills who has had some pretty good guys in the past like that state champ Wil Bailey. I also really like Mike Becich. Maybe it is the NA jersey he is wearing but the guy has got some talent. Vinny Tonzo from NA was one of the big guns of the race a year ago. Should be another Penn Hills v. NA race out front. Gotta watch out for Chris Culley who ran 1:56 a year ago and made states (if he is doubling I'm not sure he will run quite as fast but we will see) and James Smith who has run in the 1:56s this year. Some wildcard will likely step up and snag the SQS but it will be tight for sure.
1600m: Jonathan Weese, Tyler Snider, Tyler Palenchak, Nate Edenfield, Luke Schott, Ethan Martin, Nathan Sloan, Thomas Reinhardt, Colin Martin, Scott Slaney, Anton Martinez
It's hard to say who is going to get the 4 auto-spots in my mind. Ethan Martin should be able to coast and win this race in my personal opinion. He is certainly the most talented guy in terms of PRs and big wins and this sport is about momentum, which he has a lot of. I do like Nathan Sloan from Hampton though, he could mix it up well here and should make states. I go back and forth on Colin. He hasn't shown quite as much promise in the 16 as his brother has but he has plenty of talent and all he needs to do is run 4:22ish and he should get 3rd, I'm not seeing a lot of depth in this race. Edenfield and Schott are two possible sleepers in this race and even Anton Martinez and Scott Slaney could do slip in there. I definitely expect Thomas Reinhardt to get to states, he should be under 4:24 and is likely a top 4 guy most days in this race.
3200m: Seamus Roddy, Patrick Quirk, Jared Pollock, Brent Kennedy, Jon Faye, Ethan Martin, Colin Martin, Brian Shields, Caleb Wakeley, Josh Zemet, Matt McGoey, Cordon Luoco
Wow! This I expect to be the race of the day without a doubt, perhaps the race of the weekend. Kennedy will be relatively fresh when he toes off with Ethan Martin in a showdown of two outstanding juniors. Both guys could push each other under 9:10 and drag a lot of guys with them. I'm a huge Kennedy fan and I think he is starting to get healthy and that is bad news for a doubling Martin, but I have seen great stuff from Martin this year and I'm picking Ethan to take down the win and a pair of golds. Kennedy may get him back come states, but I haven't decided. Both guys are straight studs.
Behind these two is the guy who often gets overlooked, Colin Martin who has been consistently solid and has dropped a lot of time throughout the year. Unlike Ethan, Colin has had more of a tendency to start slow and drop a lot of time as the season progresses. He has struggled to beat Ethan, but maybe this is the race? If both guys are doubling I'm not sure what to expect, but I'm banking on a big 1600m Pr for Colin which sets him back a bit in this race. He will still get to states in my mind just won't be up with the other two competing for victory.
This may be the race that Matt McGoey surprises some people. I think he could beat Colin in this race for sure and dip under 9:20. He and Zemet have a great shot at qualifying for states. As mentioned Brain Shields is a very talented runner. He should get a nice PR at districts and I think he could be a big, big sleeper at outdoor states as he continues to build confidence and momentum. Jon Faye is a nice sleeper here, he has solid marks in the past including a trip to states last year. Who knows what you will get out of the Lebo guys? But there is always talent there, maybe a sleeper sneaks in a fast time outta that school.
4x800m: NA, Seneca Valley, Kiski, Norwin, Gateway, Canon-Mac
This race seems fairly one sided in my mind. Kiski, if they put their A team on the track, should dominate this race. This team is still waiting to showcase their true talent. Basically this same crew ran 7:50 last year and I think they can go even faster this year with the pieces they have, but that won't be til states. I like Gateway's pieces a lot. Big sleeper here for a sub 8 minute mark and an outside chance at competing to qualify for the finals at states. NA is unpredictable here but with their A team they should get to states no problem. But I don't know if they will put out the A team. Norwin is solid as well, they hung tough with Kiski last week.
District 3
Performance List: http://piaadistrict3.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2013-TRACK-B-AAA-SEEDS1.pdf
3200m
Gosh what a toss up of guys here. Obviously out front this is a 3 man race. Groh has been fantastic since indoors but Todaro has gotta be the favorite here with his terrific 9:15 mark. Todaro is just starting to get healthy and round into top shape after a breakout XC season. I am betting on Vinny here. Jeff should take down second and Nissley should be third, but I say that with a bit less confidence. Nissley is very good but a little bit more unpredictable than Groh who is a super talent.
This still leaves 2 free spots to states even without time. The group chasing it will include Gebhardt, Martin, Savaegeau, Reilly, Bitner, Corcoran, Brehm, Coburn, Hamilton, Conrad-Kline, and Demko. Now I don't expect all those guys to run it but they are all qualifiers. I'd scratch out Brehm and Coburn at least and maybe the Hershey guys as well. For me Gebhardt has been waiting for a chance like this to break out if he can rise to the occassion. Savagaeu is very good even though I can't spell his name, I also like Conrad-Kline. But Corcoran for me is the guy here. He should get one of the 5 auto spots to states and maybe will surpise with a sub 9:30 again. That's his PR. I don't see more than 5 guys making it outta d3 in this event.
1600m
This event is a bit trickier to predict who will run than the 32. In my mind I see Kunzweiler as the only sure fire pull out of the group. Brehm is second most likely for me, I don't think it is wise for him to try the 4x8, 16 and open 8 but he without a doubt could make states in all 3. But I think Brehm is 1:52 kind of talent in the 800m if he runs it fresh at states. If he ends up fresh in that race, he would be my sleeper pick for the title. It's early, but we have yet to see his best work.
But to the actual race. I expect to see the 3200m guys back for a shot at the spot even though I am not sure Todaro would run both at states. This race is very deep with guys like Schettler, Groh, Todaro, Coburn, Sankey, Brehm, Mueller, Conrad-Kline, Nissley, and Corcoran all under the SQS. I'd love to make a bold statement here and pick a winner, but it is hard for me to say at this point because it is unclear who will be doubling where. I like Todaro if he is feeling good after the 32 to take the win, but Sankey and Mueller are sleeper picks for a big time drop and a win. If Brehm is in the race fresh he is my pick but I'm thinking he goes 4x8 before hand. Schettler is very talented as well, but I'm worried about him doubling back from the 4x8 as well so I'm not sure he can take down the gold here. If he's fresh he will compete and maybe surprise for the win.
800m
The 800m should be very exciting and the guy to watch is Alec Kunzweiler. He in my mind has been severely overlooked by this blog as of late (myself included) and has not gotten his due for running fantastically over the past few weeks. He dropped a 1:54 low in rough, rough weather recently and has perfectly executed the 4x8-8 double countless times. I was a little worried about him at the beginning of outdoors but he has come on strong since. His indoor season was fantastic considering his previous indoor season before his 1:51 was 1:57high ish and no state medals. The guy will be peaking at the right time and has to be the favorite to drop a pair of 1:51s come states. He should handle this field this weekend.
Brehm is the name to watch down the line. Just a sophomore, Brehm is very talented at 800m, I expect him to be #2 here. Like I said, he could surprise if fresh at states. A guy who is doubling at states always has a shot at blowing up and if that happens to someone like Alec then Brehm can certainly step in and steal a win.
Caleb Gatchell is certainly a name worth noting in this race. We will see how he handles the double from the 4x8, but I think he has enough time to show off his talents in this race and surprise some people. Coburn is also a talent here if he doesn't run the 16 and instead goes 800 he will compete here. Again, I only see 5 guys qualifying for states out of this event.
4x800m
The 4x8 at District 3 is always one of the biggest surprises for me. Cedar Crest, McCaskey, Chambersburg and CV are just some of the teams over the past few years that have dropped huge times at this meet. CV should be able to cruise to victory. They are clearly the best team in this field. But behind them the race is very interesting. Carlisle has Brehm anchoring and some solid pieces all around. Then Red Lion has Caleb Gatchell and a few other underrated guys fighting to prove themselves. Penn Manor, led by the 4:18 man Schettler, have a slew of sub 2 guys that shouldn't be overlooked as well. I really like this Penn Manor team and have been talking them up for a bit on here.
But there is also Central Dauphin and new surprise Cedar Crest who dropped an 8 flat mark already this year. Hershey was an XC surprise this year and could be a 4x8 surprise at this meet with some talented guys on the roster. This race could be historic in terms of depth and sub 8 teams. I can't wait to see how this unfolds with the slew of talent across the board in this event, all the teams are separated by only a few seconds here or there.
I just hope CV stays out of trouble and doesn't get hit and fall or drop the baton or anything in this competitive race. I still think they gotta consider changing up the order to work Coburn into the 2nd spot for states.
District One
This meet will be tough to predict who runs what but I'll give it my best shot.
4x800
Here are my predictions for the 12 teams that will make finals:
Bensalem, Pennsbury, Cheltenham, Pennridge, CB East, CB South, DT East, Perk Valley, North Penn, Penncrest, Upper Darby, Downingtown West
Close: West Chester East, Upper Dublin, Abington, Radnor?, Penn Wood? (will they run hot?)
I predict that Henderson, Methacton, CRN, DTWest, Upper Merion, Strath Haven and Great Valley among others will not put their A team on the track in the event.
Plenty of room for changing here however. I feel that if every single team in D1 put their best possible relay on the track we could have roughly 24 teams under the SQS. It's just not fair. To make finals it is going to take close to 8 flat it seems. Now things could get a little easier if teams like Pennsbury and Pennridge who I have making it in pull out their top guns in favor of individuals. But teams like Henderson and Methacton could easily complicate matters by throwing their A team in. Abington is another team that could jump in the mix as a sleeper pick.
Pennsbury is just so difficult to call here. They have individual potential for sure. I really like their relay as well. Webb and Harriman gotta be thinking 32 or maybe 16 and either of those events are tough to qualify for with a hard 4x8 thrown in there. Very tough to guess where they will be.
In the finals, I see Bensalem running away with this one, they should be able to coast a bit to a win which will help. But Pennridge could surprise if Logue is going all out and chasing when he gets the baton. Pennsbury is a solid team, but I think Cheltenham is also very dangerous with Jon Lewis on the squad. Ultimately all these teams are solid, somewhere around 7:55ish potential, but it will be a matter of who rises to the occassion and breaks free. Very few teams have more than one stud on their roster for this relay which complicates things. I like DT East here as a sleeper, I'm a Caldwell fan and I think this team has been growing well throughout the season.
My 8 teams headed to states (I do believe it will be 8 in all the distance events) in no particular order:
Bensalem, Pennsbury, Pennridge, Penncrest, DT East, CB East, CB South, Upper Darby
1600m
Here are my predicted 12 finalists:
Huemmler, Francis, Zingarini, Stratman, Kardish, Scarpato, Pearlman, Leidal, Harriman, Ferruzzi, Hanson, Hare
It's tricky to predict this event because it's hard to guess who is running the 4x8 and who is not and then on top of that who is pulling out of the race. I think Russell, Wilson, Logue, Webb, Moy and Rivera among others are pulling out of this event which leave things quite wide open. Again things are tricky because I am trying to guess quite a lot of factors here, but this is a very tentative guess.
In the finals I have to think Huemmler will destroy the field if he is healthy but I haven't seen much of him lately so there are no guarentees that will be the case. If he is not at 100% and Ken Leidal is running a fresh race and no 4x8 the guy may be quite the sleeper pick in this race. Harriman too with fresh legs is dangerous. Zingarini has had a bit of a rough patch but he has the talent to win this race, he has yet to win the big win in his career, maybe this is his time. A lot of guys with potential to break out. Francis I think will be too tired to really compete hard up front but he should get into states. Kardish is a big sleeper here as well. He has run some great times over the years and he could be 4:16ish this meet. Pearlman, the sophomore, is a sleeper here as well for a roughly 4:20 flat time. Curtis Watro, if fresh, could get in the finals and compete well. Also gotta look for the WCE guys if they are fresh: Crump and Diestelow.
My 8 guys headed to states (very tricky here with all the doubling in place) again no particular order:
Huemmler, Francis, Zingarini, Leidal, Kadish, Stratman, Pearlman, Harriman
800m
Here are my predicted 12 finalists:
Wiseman, Logue, Moy, Caldwell, Rivera, Garton, Hunter, Yannacone, Sanders, Lewis, Huemmler, Holm
There are lots of guys in this race who could surprise and jump inside my top 12, but these are my tentative picks here. In the finals, I like Wiseman to run away from this field and dominate. If Sanders and Huemmler too are healthy they could both be in the mix for the title. Joe Logue, if he does not run the 4x8 all out, will challenge for the win as well. I would love to see Rivera, Logue, Wiseman and Sanders all reunite as the top 4 guys from indoor states could push each other to something impressive. I think it will be Wiseman who takes down the victory out of this group this time around, but Logue should give him all he can handle. Rivera will have to be doubling but I expect him to round out the top 3 despite the tough double that he will almost certainly have. Moy is very dangerous if he is not running the 4x8. He has been a roll as of late. Christian Hunter and Steve Yannacone are the big sleepers of this group. Both almost definitely will be fresh and both have run solid marks with potential to drop. Yannacone is the defending champ which you can't forget.
Ultimately this race should take mid 1:55s to make states at least and I think, assuming all parties are healthy the top 8 are:
Wiseman, Logue, Moy, Rivera, Sanders, Huemmler, Hunter, Caldwell
3200m
Well by this point of writing I am quite perplexed about who is running where but here is what I think.
A fresh Norris, Russell, Barchet and Wilson will control this race, but Conner Quinn should also be up in the mix. If Pennsbury really goes 4x8 I can't imagine seeing Harriman and maybe Webb but they have another guy they could sub for Webb and let him run this race.
Norris should put things on cruise control, knowing next week is the big week, but the pack won't let him just jog along. There are a lot of talented guys in this race that will need to keep it honest so they can take their shot at getting to states. Here is the group I expect to be in the mix (assuming Macauley and Emery scratch from injury/sickness)
Russell, Wilson, Barchet, Webb, Quinn, Bodine, Collins, Berry, Kazanjian, Cummings, Norris, Kazanjian and maybe Brophy
Ultimately only 8 guys can make it to states and I expect that group to be:
Russell, Wilson, Barchet, Quinn, Bodine, Norris, Berry, Webb/Kazanjian (depending on whether Webb runs this race or the 4x8)
It's hard to say who will win, but I think most of the top guys are looking past this weekend so I don't expect it to be a furious race for the win. More than likely Norris will kick his way to victory but Wilson and Quinn may beat out Barchet and Russell if they are saving up for states. Not sure what the status of Russell is because of those rumors about his heatlh but I gotta imagine the kid is fine at this point and he should be good to go in this race. I like Bodine in this race, he has been consistently solid in the 32 all year. Berry and Kazanjian are nice sleepers here. Both need to pop off that big race and this weekend could be the perfect opportunity.
Update from District 12:
ReplyDelete1 James, Kevin Cardinal O Hara 9:21.83R 10
2 Mcdermott, Will Msgr Bonner 9:22.92R 8
3 Savage, Dan Cardinal O Hara 9:24.13# 6
4 Pitone, Ernie Cardinal O Hara 9:27.46# 5
5 Bilotta, Brendan LaSalle Coll 9:28.66# 4
Those are the only 5 guys to hit the SQS in the race and are the guys they are sending to states ... the other distance events are contested tomorrow ... no chris pastore for o'hara, he stays fresh for 4x8 ... james will not run 16, only the 32, same for savage ... pitone and mcdermott both entered in 16 tomorrow but may have just been entered as back for 32 ... no stone or magee in 16 tomorrow, not sure what lasalle's plan is for 4x8 ... none of ohara's 4x8 entered in open 8, keeping fresh squad for states it seems ... stone and magee entered in the 8
Sleeper for the 800 out of the WPIAL would be Marcus Smail. He's run some nice times this year and I could see him slipping past some of those guys who might be tired from the 1600.
ReplyDeleteDon't overlook the Governor Mifflin 4x8 in District 3. They've only run 8:06 but they've got a lot more potential than that in my opinion.
Interesting bit on Smail. Definitely not a known name but to be honest I don't see him mixing it up with those top guys.
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DWest should go with their A team in the 4x800. They've got 3 under 2:00 in open 800's and a great chance to get the team to states.
ReplyDeleteAnyone got any sleeper picks? I'm from D1 so these are my possible breakout performers for the D1 meet....
ReplyDelete-I'll say that Chris Coates has a big day and a big drop in time. Kid ran that 9:39 on the double from the mile at Ches-Monts. Plus he stepped it up for leagues and districts in xc. He'll be on my radar.
-James Hare is definitely someone I'm watching. I feel like this guy has a lot of potential. I first noticed him during indoor after he began to consistently run some very solid times. Now he's broken out and I think that this will be the perfect race situation for him and if he is strong enough to run in day 2 finals, I see him making states with a 4:18-4:19.
-The Radnor guys. They have some really nice pieces. They go very unnoticed.
Agree completely on radnor guys ... Have a pair of them in the finals and the relay as a sleeper
DeleteThose are some deep sleeper picks and guys who are doing it on their own because their teams do have anyone near them to train with.
DeleteWord on the street is that Russell is running the 4x8 and 1600, which if that is the case could change things up quite a bit. I can't confirm or deny this but I heard it from a pretty reliable source. Also it will be interesting to see how Ross Wilson runs the next two weeks as he has been racing pretty hard the last 3 weeks or so starting with Penn Relays.
ReplyDeleteThat'd be interesting. Even of Henderson stacked their 4x8 they probably can't get D1 gold, it's just not their specialty. Why have Russell double 1600/800 two days in a row? He's a 3200 record waiting to happen, though probably not this year because Norris looks pretty much unbeatable.
Deleterussell definitely isnt doing the 4X800, the mile maybe
DeleteSome thoughts on D7/WPIAL:
ReplyDeleteThere is no sure bet in the 800m. Becich and Wilhoite are the two best bets here but Mazzanti and James Smith are not far behind. All four have a 1:56 to their credit this season. Wilhoite went from 4th with 250 left to a win at Baldwin, kicking down the likes of Becich, Smith and Culley. Mazzanti has really been under the radar and could have a huge race here. He soloed a 1:56 at the Pine Richland Invite and took 2nd or 3rd at the Northern Qualifier (admittedly not a great predictor of potential). Otherwise I haven't seen much out of him. Foster and Culley can hit the SQT but I don't see them gunning for a win.
1600m: you're right about it being wide open after Ethan Martin. From 2 through about 7 or 8 their PRs are within a second to two of each other. Excluding E. Martin, all these guys have beat each other at least once including cross and track so nobody stands out as a lock for states.
3200m: good thoughts but I don't have Faye ranked as highly
4x800: Kiski and Seneca Valley are running their A teams and NA should be as well. Kiski has the pieces to run fast as you said so they're the safest pick for first. NA (Love, Seel, McGoey, Becich) is sub-8 with their top 4 guys running well (and Becich is a heck of an anchor if it's close). Seneca (Kolor, Quiggle, Benjamin, Foster) is probably 8:04 with a very good race and I'd expect Gateway (Palenchak, Farina, Creamer, ?) to be right about there with their top guys having a stellar race. Foster hung right with Becich at the Northern qualifier till about the last 50m.
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DeleteUNREAL d11 sends a 940 and 944 to states in 2 mile
ReplyDeleteYup. D1 will probably have a handful of guys under the 9:31 SQS who won't get to go. Heck, Henderson has runners who can beat those d11 times who won't even get the chance to run districts because of the 3 man per team limit. Why should someone be penalized for being in a good district or on a good team? Anyone know the logic behind those rules?
DeleteThat's not that bad. I'm pretty sure there were district champs over 10:00 last year. And I know I lapped a kid at states.
DeleteInteresting not seeing Jaskowak in the 3200
ReplyDeleteBecause we have this conversation around the state every year, it's about representation from across the state, much like the Olympics includes people who wouldn't normally make it. Face it, D1's 9:30 kid wouldn't medal just like the kid from D11 won't. The very best kids go every year and medal. There are some solid kids who go every year and don't medal. There are solid kids who don't get to go. It's not "fair", but then neither is life.
ReplyDeleteA 9:30 could medal, Jaskowak came in with a 9:34 last year and took 2nd.
DeleteTry 9:14, and that time doesn't even crack the top 10 in the state this year.
DeleteJaskowak wasn't all out til states anybody running in d1 will have shown a bit more potential than 930 before states ... I do believe if they have an sqs everyone who hits it should go even if that's more than 8 people but whatever the post a few up is right ... If ur legit good enough to medal you get out of districts no matter what
DeleteJaskowak came into states with a 9:34 PR and dropped that 9:14 for second at states. The point being, D1 will probably have some who run under the SQS but don't get in yet Jaskowak showed it's possible to be a "9:30 kid" and medal. He's not the only one, it's been done before by other 9:30 kids.
DeleteSo its not THE BEST in the state in this day and age of johnny needs a trophy and lets not hurt feelings?
ReplyDeleteits because runners who arent very good at all make it in when other runners who are 10 to 20 seconds faster dont. I'd be a little angry too. The BEST in the state should go to STATES.
DeleteThat's why PA should have a meet of champions like NJ. NJ does lots of group stages and then the best in the state come together to race at MoC's. Like there are groups A, B, C, D and then MoC's is everyone. Instead of A, AA, and AAA. Then we'd get to see all those guys go at it. I think it'd be better for PA to treat it that way.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Jaskowak point, he didn't have to run anything faster than 9:34 before the state meet, so he choose not to. I think it makes sense on his part. Like Luke Jones right now just ran 9:35. Galassi went really hard which I think will hurt him come the state meet, while I see Jones being able to run 9:15 or faster, just didn't do it at districts because he didn't have to. Like Etrain said, a lot of D1 guys run much faster because of higher competition during the season. Emery last year would have been a 9:35 guy most likely if he didn't choose to run hard at Bensalem for a 9:26 and at districts for his 9:11. Just the way D1 works out.
And the state tries to do it's job to give kids from all districts the opportunity to compete at the state meet. I personally don't agree with that, I do think the best should go, and I see a lot of issues with the system. One of them being you need to run the time at districts to make it into states. On really bad days guys may miss the SQS who don't get an auto-slot, have an off day, or a baton could be dropped. It could happen to any of the top relay teams at districts and then they miss out on the state meet. It's a real shame. That's one thing the MoC in NJ fixes. It just brings all the best guys together and everyone runs 1 to 2 events. Distance guys almost never double and it's all about going for a fast time.
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The guy who comes in 8th in D1 has about as much chance of medalling, heck even making finals, as the guys from D11. Should they not go?
ReplyDeleteThe guys in D11 are the best in their area. They probably romp on their competitors just like the top guys in any area, though they probably do it more on talent. These guys probably run less than 30 miles a week. Their coaching and training is nothing compared to the Hendersons and CRNs of the state. (That's not to say they are more talented then the state leaders just that they rely more heavily on talent for lack of training).
I don't like the idea of kids who are 10-20 seconds slower getting to states, but these kids deserve some sort of recognition. States is really the only thing they get and it will have to do.
For some perspective, 9:40 will win states in just about every class (1-6A) in Alabama and probably 1-3A in Georgia(it goes up to 6A as well).
So like I said, those D11 kids you're ragging on are good. They just don't appear that way because PA's one of the best states (top ten at least and probably higher) and we're having one of the best years in state history.
Not ragging the D11 kids, just making a case for everyone. If you're right and the D1 kids train better, work harder, put in more mileage, run faster times, than D11, shouldn't they get rewarded for that effort and get to go to states? There's something wrong with a kid being able to walk away saying he came in 15th at states when the reality is he couldn't come in 15th at D1. Just saying.
DeleteAgree. Anyway you slice it, it's not going to be fair to someone. Penalizing kids because they work harder in a better program doesn't seem fair. Some kids may not actually have that raw talent-they've had to train their tails off for any success. Does that make them less deserving?
DeleteIt's an interesting situation. In a way the WPIAL qualifier meets are like these smaller districts. Brent Kennedy ran a 9:4x at the qualifier for first with 2nd more than 20 secs behind. On the surface your eyes wouldn't pop but as soon as he has competition he can be with any of the top guys in the state. If there are so few competitors then they may decide to run what it takes to get to states. Who's to say a 9:40 is their ceiling? Ultimately, I'd like to have a MoC to be put in place to have the fastest guys running and solve a lot of these debates.
DeleteShearn just got Spooners record, one of the top AA kids of all time from PA. Not sure if Shearn will continue post season, but I think he's got a real shot at sub 9 for 2 miles at nats if he doesn't run the 5k.
ReplyDeleteNA dropped a 7:54.29 at WPIAL championship for first
ReplyDeleteOoo, that makes things more interesting for states, wonder if they have the pieces to go sub 7:50 at states
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I personally don't think they do but then again I thought they were only capable of 7:56 a week ago. Even their coach had them seeded at 7:58 last week and one of the NA guys said earlier in the season they were potentially 1:59 high (Love), 2:00-2:01 (McGoey), 2:00-2:01 (Seel) and whatever Becich did (1:56 open pr so far). In terms of alternates, they have Short at 2:03, Chang at sub 2:05 and possibly Louco who could be right around 2 flat but I haven't seen him in an 800 in a while and can't be sure of what he can do (16:08 5k pr, mid 4:20s, NA's top 4x4). He may have actually been on that relay team now that I think about it.
DeleteEthan Martin WPIAL gold in the 1600m with 4:18 low. Brother Colin 2nd in 4:18 high. Both doubling back later in the 3200m.
ReplyDeleteMcgoey and louco ... If they qualify for state in the 4x8 ... Would have a very hard time doing both at states .... Same goes for Kennedy if kiski made it
DeleteSome d12 highlights are very intriguing
Delete1600 results aren't up yet but ....
Ohara gets an easy 755 win and father judge surprises for an 8 flat to get in to states
In the 8 stone wins but pulls Magee and joe Sullivan to states, thrilled for both those guys they really deserved it as great relay guys this year
Wilhoite takes the 800 at WPIALs in 1:55.8
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ReplyDeleteEthan Martin takes his second gold of the day in the 3200 with a 9:17.2. Brent Kennedy .1 second behind.
As mentioned Wilhoite takes the 800
Generally I'd stay away from girls events but I thought I should note soph Brianna Schwartz of Shaler Area took double gold with a 4:47.07 in the 1600 and 2:10.38 in the 800.
TEAMS better bring 740,s if they want to get close
ReplyDeleteI can't even begin to predict D1 so very brave of Etrain considering all the uncertainty. Where's Huemmler been? Is Russell hurt? Are the rumors true about mono, injuries and a runner turned rapper?
ReplyDeleteThis will be interesting. Every year at districts someone drops to another level. Magaha in 11', Huemmler in 12'. My pick for this year is Francis, he's on a roll and maybe could get continue to get better.
800 - I agree with Etrain except I believe defending champ Yannacone will move on. I know he's been injured but he's still had some nice times and 51 open 400 speed works very well for an 800 runner.
1600 - I suspect Russell runs this. He's up against either Huemmler here or Norris in the 3200. If Huemmler is less than 100% the 1600 makes more sense for Russell. Heck, if Russell is less than 100% this one might make more sense. Anyways I'm guessing Russell runs this and I suspect Francis and maybe Liedel make some noise here too.
3200 - This is obviously Norris's race. He can shadow whoever has the guts to lead it and it won't matter, even with the depth this year he's too strong on the field right now. One of the favorites will likely have a bad day and miss out and one of the 9:40ish guys will probably have a big drop and surprise.
-RJJL
I see there were some updates from WPIALS, but thought I'd give my $.02 and a bit more complete results as the WPIAL is made of morons so the results probably won't be out anytime soon.
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1600m:
1. Ethan Martin 4:17
2. Collin Martin
3. Nathan Sloan 4:19
4. Tyler Palenchek 4:22
5. Tom Reinhart 4:23
3200:
1. Ethan Martin 9:17 outkicking Kennedy the last 100
2. Brent Kennedy less than a half second back- all in the last 20m
3. Collin Martin
4. Cordon Louco (NA)
5. Josh Zemet (NA)
6. Matt McGoey (NA) 9:31.1
All 6 Qualify
7. Brian Shields 9:32.low
I dont remember the eight as well, but Wilhoite from Penn Hills won in 1:55.8. Other state qualifers: Becich (NA), Smith (?) (USC), 3 others (6 total). Dougherty was stuck in the slow heat and ran 1:57.6 for second (doing most of the work), a Uniontown runner ran well to run 1:57.mid which just missed states.
I know you guys get all up in arms when people post about girls, if so. Don't read the rest. But, the most impressive runs of the day were on the girls side
Girls:
Brianna Schwartz won both the 800m and 1600m. She lead the 1600 from the gun: 2:20, 2:27 for a 4:47.07.
Then she came back and let Gina Alm do the work (65. through 400m) and went by her with about 250 left. Closing in 64. for a 2:10.38. Simply amazing. She would be a threat to win States in both (not sure what she'll choose to do though).
Also Potts of Lebo ran 2nd in the 1600m (4:55).
Also Shannon Malone won the 3200 pretty effortlessly in a solo 10:41. Good effort from her.
You forgot Tyler Snider in the 1600, he was 4th in 4:20.5
DeleteEdenfield of Uniontown won the slow heat in I can't remember what. If I remember correctly, the fast heat was:
Delete1. Wilhoite
2. Smith
3. Culley
4. Smail
5. Becich
In my opinion, the most exciting event of the day hasn't really been addressed on here, the 4x8. It was an extremely tight duel between Seneca Valley, Canon-Mac, NA, Kiski, and Norwin, until NA's third leg blew the doors off of the other teams. NA won in 7:54, Kiski in 7:57. Then, Seneca Valley and Norwin's anchor legs had to duke it out for the last qualifying spot. In the last 100m, Seneca Valley's anchor collapsed (It was about 80 degrees at that time) and Norwin finished in 4th.
another sophomore from ohara ran 2:01 at d12 for fourth i believe, it wasnt james. ohara is gonna have some decisions to make for their 4x8 at states. so much depth
ReplyDeleteJust read centre times article colewell going mile,scratched state 2mile,cather upset in 800 did not make state8,16 d6 crazyness
ReplyDeletesorry did not know that d6 took 2 sorrysorry
Deleteheard Cather and Adams are hurt real badly.
Deleteonly one goes to states auto from d6 not 2
DeleteWill Cather has been the anchor leg for the State College 4x800 team. If he ran it for the district meet he has a trip to States. They ran a 7:52.51 and qualified for the State Championship.
ReplyDeleteStrange second 1600 heat at D1. Too slow, it came down to a 200 sprint and a big group never had a chance at qualifying since heat one was quick.
ReplyDeleteNot strange at all, that's 3 state medalists being really smart in my opinion. It was fairly hot today, Zingarini learned his lesson last week about leading, and Leidal learned his lesson today, and Huemmler learned it last year at states These high schools are almost getting too smart for their own good cause no fast times will come from this lol. I say 4:16 wins it tomorrow if that.
DeleteWhen it's hot out, makes sense to slow it down, they were 66, 72, 68, 59. No reason to go any faster for Hummler, Zingarini, and Harriman who were in that heat. I think it was a very smart move to run 4:26 to get the Q.
--ForrestCRN
I meant strange that the 10 or so who were not state medalists didn't push the pace instead of allowing themselves to be taken out of any chance of the last four time based spots or of even getting a PR. You have to figure their coaches told them what to expect, but knows.
DeleteWait, D6 only takes top 1? so Cather isn't in States in anything? Also, smart move on Colwell's part. He could do some damage in the 1600, but the 3200 would have been just out of reach in my opinion. He hasn't even run a 3200 this year?
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only one auto from d6. As you may recall, Colwell ran the 3k at Penn and came back the next day and ran 4:22 at lock haven, so maybe his speed is up and hes ready to roll for the 1600.
DeleteWhere was Etrain?
ReplyDeleteI was wandering all around, wouldn't say that I had one select location ... I'll probably be wearing my shirt again that says etrain on the back so just stay on the look out i suppose ... i'll be tweeting updates about the district one meet as well ... i should be able to post up pictures of the results like i did today
DeleteCould somebody explain why some of the D1 results skip around? For example the 1600 goes 4:19, 4:25, 4:19, 4:26...? I assume the sprints are due to wind but I don't get it for these longer races
ReplyDeleteThey're in alternating order by the two heats. So 1st from the 1st heat 4:19, 1st in the 2nd heat 4:25, 2nd in the 1st heat 4:19, 2nd in the 2nd heat 4:26....until the 1st four qualifiers in each heat are listed. Then it's by time.
DeleteSo the first 8 are qualifiers from the top four from each of the two heats, then the rest by time, of which the next four get in. Sorry for all the numbers but I believe that's how its done - RJJL
It looks like they did every other heat's places. Like Russell was #1 in the first heat, #2 name was first in the 2nd heat, Moy was 2nd in the 1st heat, etc...don't understand why they recorded it that way other than for the line-up for todays final.
ReplyDeleteOnce again D1 runners come up big and best the SQS only to be left behind by the messed up rules.
ReplyDeleteD3 steps way-up today 3200-917 todaro/brehm 1600 413 brehm/todaro(brehm dq,pushing) 800 151 kunzweiler 4x8 CV 748
ReplyDeleteD1 distance went pretty much as expected. 800- Wiseman, Logue, Rivera and Yannacone moved on. 1600– Heummler looked like he had some left. Moy & Watro had a big race, Russell was solid. 3200– Good win for Wilson, Norris cruised, nice races out of Berry and Bodine. The 4x800 was as expected except for Cheltenham, Lewis must have had a nice split. The guy at the top of this post who picked sleepers Hare, Coates and Radnor almost had it, they just missed. Tough breaks for Cooper, Ferruzi, Kazanjian and Coates for making the SQS but not moving on.
ReplyDeleteD1 is looking good for states.
Norris cruised? I guess his effort looked quite different to you than what I saw. He was constantly bobbing his head and didn't look focused at all. He fell off the pace right away and tried to make it slow right from the gun (lead the pack through in 2:22) and then basically fell off as Wilson slowly picked it up. If anything Wilson cruised, he looked so easy the whole time. Kid is ready for 9:00 in my opinion. I thought these past few weeks of hard racing would get to him, but the past two 3200s weren't quick for him and the 1600 at leagues he just got pulled along by Zingarini. I expect sub 9:05 from him at states.
DeleteMaybe Norris had a slight set back in training or is sore from a workout this past week. Not sure, I know he's planning on nationals, so maybe he's training through the state meet. I think his plan was to just qualify, but he didn't look great doing it. Neither did Reiny. I still think he's the favorite, but this race did worry me a bit.
I thought he cruised and looked fine. Even backing off maximum effort, he's still running 9:23 which isn't exactly a casual jog. With his Penn Relays 8:25 3000 and Henderson invite 4:12 1600 wins/PR's it would make sense to back off at districts and gear up for states/nationals.
DeleteWilson made it look to easy. Way too much in the tank for him. He's my favorite to win.. 9:04 for him at states.
Deletebensalem or cv
ReplyDeleteI think it's entirely up to Brad Rivera. Talked to him a bit at districts about general stuff and he is tripling at states and all 3 events have trials. 4x8 trials he went out in 60 and open 8 trials he went out in 58 high with Wiseman since they both knew nobody would try and pass them. In the finals of the 4x8 he let Harriman pass him in the last 100 (Harriman split a really nice 1:55), but you could tell Rivera was saving it, since he doesn't get much time between the open 8 and the 4x4. He was shaking his head and laughing when asking how much time he had to get ready. I think if he goes all out in the 4x8 then they will win gold, if not then they will get second. Honestly I think it's smarter for him to run a 1:55ish split instead of 1:52 and save himself. I think Bensalem is a lock for second, and if he runs 1:55ish it will give Francis the chance to win it for them against Kunzweiler (although he's not one to be beat at the line). Francis ran a 1:52.66 split this weekend without much competition. He went too hard and it hurt him in the mile. Now this will be his focus and I think he splits 1:51 on that anchor leg.
DeleteRemember Bensalem is going for the team title, and if Rivera plays it smart they will get 2nd in the 4x8, he'll be top 4 in the open 8, and they win the 4x4. That along with a top 3 in the open 4 and hopefully a point or 2 from Holley, along with possible points in the long jump. Coatesville will again be there biggest competition, who scores there points on the field. So it should be really interesting.
All that being said I think CV wins it in 7:45.8 to Bensalem's 7:46.2 with 1:51 splits from both anchors.
--ForrestCRN
I think O'Hara will be in the mix with previous times this year of a 1:54.1 from Belfatto, 1:55.1 from Smart, 1:56 from Boyle, and I think they will be able to throw in a sub 2 guy. That is around a 7:54 depending on what their 4th guy does.
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