Better late than never I suppose. Haven't made a post in a while for the usual reasons but rather than waste your time with excuses I'll just get down to business.
I'll start with the District that I know the best, District One Pennsylvania. There are some serious teams emerging as relay threats now that I didn't have on my radar before. We knew about Bensalem and LaSalle (District 12) who I will get to later, but most people were not giving love to the boys at Pennsbury. Pennsbury is developing into a nice squad after a breakout XC season. Had they run states as a team I bet they would have been top 10, District 1 was just stacked this year. Pennsbury ran that nice DMR in the early season and then dropped a very solid 8:05 4x8 relay with a group of guys headlined by I believe two mile-2 mile guys in Harriman and Webb. Those two legs are sick 12 and 16 legs for the DMR. Especially considering that Webb just lowered his open mile to a surprisingly quick 4:30 right behind Ross Wilson. As mentioned in the comments, they capped off their hot start with a sub 11 minute DMR without Harriman and Webb! Very good sign for them. If they keep their legs fresh they will challenge the top teams at states in the DMR. However, they do have to be careful. They started off hot in XC as well and couldn't quite close out the postseason. But I still like this team because their big dogs showed up at states when it counted most as Webb and Harriman were both in the top 14 spots at states.
Other relays emerging are teams like DTWest who ran a nice DMR on a banked track earlier this year as well. Steadman were both strong during XC plus they return some other nice pieces from the 4x8 mix last season. They have potential to stay hot. Great Valley certainly is a threat after their nice early season DMR mark but I still need to see a bit more of their legs as individuals. They have nice pieces but someone needs to step up and become the stud leg for them to take the next step to a top team in the state. And lastly you have to talk about the CRN squad. Zingarini is starting to round into really nice shape for this early in the year. He usually comes on late and does his best work at season's end so to see him mix it up with the LaSalle guys already and finish ahead of Rivera is a nice confidence booster. Plus Wilson has proven he can run a nice mile leg and they ran a sub 11 DMR with two other emerging talents in the 8 and 12 legs. They almost surely won't have a fresh relay squad at states which will hold them back a bit, but they should run a really fast time when they put it all together. Emery is off to a bit of a slow start, but he really didn't come on until outdoors last season when he ran his big 9:11 mark to cap off the year. If he can gain some confidence he is another nice piece for the relay. North Penn may be able to piece together a relay as too can Strath Haven, but the strength of those teams rests on the individuals.
Now on to the big dogs. Although Pennsbury easily boasts the top 4x8 mark this year, Bensalem is quickly emerging as the relay favorite led by big dog Brad Rivera. The Bensalem squad has been running A LOT of races so far this season. It kind of worries me to see them all over the place racing, but I think they are trying to build up their strength to run some crazy doubles at the state championship meet. My early bet is that Bensalem may be thinking about the chance of a team title either indoors or outdoors this year. They have a lot of pieces in that 4-8 range and Francis opened with a pretty solid mile to boot. Rivera is looking really strong, backed by that 1:55 which you have to remember is a really solid time for this early. We were spoiled last year by Willig and Magaha. Rivera could be 1:52 in a fresh 8 at seasons end and that usually leads to a state title.
LaSalle broke out this past weekend. Their 10:33 thrashing of the field was impressive. Not to mention they won the 4x8 going away in 8:30 at the same meet with 4 different guys. Billotta has the early lead on running the 800m leg of the relay as he has come out the gate very strong. With his development this team has 4 strong legs for a 4x8 as well, which may be the direction they choose to go. Stone and Coyle are both in great shape. Coyle, especially looks strong. He would have a shot at winning the mile and 3k this year if he trained specifically for it. Meanwhile Stone has shown great strength, he may opt for the mile this year over the 800m at states. He could probably run 1:52-1:53 by seasons end but that still may be good for only 3rd or 4th or so in that stacked field. In the mile as of now he can sit in and run 4:18 and compete for silver behind his teammate. Plus this would maximize his rest time for the relays. Its still early, but both guys are in great shape.
Of course the guy that jumps to mind for breaking up that 1-2 LaSalle mile bunch is Jack Huemmler, but he has had some little injury bugs here and there which worries me. If he can stay healthy, he is a monster, but he needs to show some consistent races before I rank him ahead of Stone in my mind. Stone is red hot right now after his XC season closed out so well.
The other interesting development will be Henderson who ran two solid 4x8s on a very slow track and had the individual mile champ to boot. This team can obviously put together a good relay but, like LaSalle, they need to get some races under their belt. Still early to say much about what Henderson has. As usual they are playing the cards close to the vest. Should be fun to watch.
Don't count out defending 4x8 champs Pennridge. Joey Logue ran an uncontested 1:57 already this year that absolutely dominated the field. It's better than Rivera's time in my opinion because it was on a flat track in such little competition (of course I think Rivera's 8 may have been on the double from the mile which makes it more impressive than Logue's probably). Logue is showing signs that he can click off a 1:51 at seasons end in the right race once again. He is dangerous and Pennridge has run some nice 4x4s and had some solid individual performances of late: Masgai just ran a 2:03 at Lehigh and Nick Stenderowicz ran 52.03 in the quarter. Not jaw dropping times but with a great anchor and proper peaking this team will compete.
CB East is another team to watch out for. They have had some very underrated DMRs over the year and some solid 4x8s as well. They always seem to fly under the radar but put up very solid times. They have Jake Brophy, the super frosh, but his brother just recently dropped a solid 2:01.83 open 8 behind Harriman. Plus Alec Brand pulled out a great 4:32 SQS mile that was very impressive. That looks like the makings of a great DMR squad.
WC East is also looking strong. They had an XC season that was very impressive where they overcame a lot of doubt from people (like me) and finished the season strong. Diestelow has been very solid this season so far and Cummings had a nice 3k battling with Kevin James who was impressive in his own right as James ran 9:05 to Cummings' 9:06.
Christian Sanders ran 51 high in the open quarter. This is a 16:00 5k runner who continues to show all sorts of range. Don't forget his name.
I want to see Conner Quinn hop in a 3k, he can challenge 9 minutes in the right race. That 2:06 1st place and 4:33 actually impressed me a decent amount. He has never been a speed guy and he has little speed training in his legs so far which means those marks are pretty impressive for him this early. Watch out.
Chris Berry is a monster in the 3k this year, his Burdette win was impressive. Running that time this early is very nice. He still needs to work a bit on the shorter stuff. In a championship race, its going to go out in the low 4:30s. He didn't break 4:35 this past weekend. But Berry's 3k mark is great.
Will McDermott is also starting off strong with a very impressive mark. His 8:52 flat track would have been good for about 5th last year at indoor states when you convert the mark. He had Berry to work off but you still have to run the race even in perfect conditions and he did just that. Those marks for him and Berry are both very quick for this early. I hope they can keep progessing.
On a side note did anyone notice the D2 TFCAofGP DMR? Those results look sick! Tight race all around with some solid teams in there as well.
Also how about the nice 1:57 mark by Cheltenham's John Lewis? This guy is a true 4-8 kinda guy. If he develops enough strength he could be scary in the 800m down the line.
Hopefully I didn't forget much. Solid mark by Abert in there as well, I'd like to see him move up and try a 3k though.
Lastly, keep the comments coming they have been awesome! I read all of them! And we are going to try and have our first show posted up on the blog after next weekends action so if you have viewer questions for us than post them up Saturday after the races are done and we will do our best to talk about what you want to hear about.
Sweet.
La Salle DMR
ReplyDeleteCoyle 3:10
400 Leg 53 High
Magee 1:59
Stone 4:30
Pretty impressive for running alone after the second lap.
In regards to Cummings, he sat behind 5 meters on Kevin James the whole race. Seeing that really improves the quality of James' race. Had Cummings pushed just a little more on Kevin they might have dipped under the sqs
ReplyDeleteBerry is very up and down, hopefully he bounches back. The mile isn't bad for him, but he ran 10:41 in the 2 mile, not sure what happened there. (Macauley ran 10:14 to win it).
ReplyDelete--ForrestCRN
CRN's DMR splits:
Simmons 3:21
Dupree :55
Davish 2:11
Zingarini 4:30
Where did Henderson run those 4x8's? I can't find many results for them anywhere and their milers at Glen Mills on the 3rd didn't look that strong.
ReplyDeletehttp://pa.milesplit.com/meets/129881/results/229895
ReplyDelete8:23 and 8:36
If you're looking for the main event of the Hispanic games last night, search 2013 Hispanic Games @ The Armory - Saturday on YouTube, and go to 8 hours and 50 minutes in and watch that 4x4, HUGE fight breaks out!
ReplyDeleteWhat a disgrace that was.
DeleteI didn't see Chaborek on any of the Henderson squads, so that's good. I don't believe they split up the teams though, it seemed as though one was stacked and the other wasn't. I may be wrong, but that's just how it seemed from the video and names on the relays.
ReplyDeleteBerry sat on McDermott the whole race and then out kicked him. I think that at the State level when the race is taken out faster, Berry will be out of his element and will change his race plan and die off at the end.
That's an odd way to order the DMR for LaSalle. If that is the order they are sticking with, I believe that Stone will run the 800m and Coyle is running the mile. That's my only logic as to why Stone would anchor. Or they are just messing with the order and having fun with it. That could be true too. Great split for Magee.
Ross Wilson is really impressing me. He is dropping overall PRs in early indoors! He is really stepping it up. Zingarini is really stepping it up early as well. I'd pick him as one of the favorites to medal in the mile.
I think DTW is more geared for a 4x800 than a DMR. I think that's what they will go for and with the way they peak and the shape they're in, I'd say they will medal.
John Lewis shows you how important training over the summer/fall is, especially summer. He was a good freshman, but now he's one of the best in the State in the 400 (wait until he runs an open on a banked track. I'd bet he goes 49... he already ran 51.75 in flats and no competition) and 800.
I think what you are saying is true, Etrain. If they are trying to go for a team championship (which by this year looks very possible) that may harm their chances at winning the 4x4 or 4x8.
-RTJ
What happened in the D2 DMR?
ReplyDeleteA bunch of teams ran around 11:14
DeleteC O'Hara 11:13.72
WCE 11:13.92
Penncrest 11:14.13
HGP 11:14.23
All solid times with the teams not using any big guns. All have stae qualifying capabilities.
--ForrestCRN
4 teams finished within a second Ohara, WCE, Penncrest, Holy Ghost
DeleteWhere is District 3,have budgets been cut?Seems by now should have had a meet.
ReplyDeleteSick mile tonight at the CC Champs at Ursinus-Aziz, Wistar, Leidel, Russell, Barchet and Jones(from Kennett). Maybe some others.
ReplyDeleteMarkle (DW) and Crump (WE) are a couple other noteable names
DeleteI believe Caldwell (d east) might also be in the mile
DeleteTony Russell with a meet record 4:24 in the mile, Aziz, Wistar, Leidel and Barchet follow him to the SQS. Not much in the 3k. Henderson with a 10:58 in the DMR followed by WCE with a 11:05.
Delete-Cummings, WC East
Not much in the BOYS 3k, Courtney Smith wrecked in the girls 3k with a us #4. The other three girls did it on a banked track with competition, Smith lapped every person in the race... some 2-3 times.
ReplyDeleteAziz looked pretty weak in the mile. I expected him to lead with Russell, but he never even saw the lead. Russell let Barchet and Caldwell do the majority of the work and took over about halfway through.
Henderson has nice depth, running a 10:58 without Reiny or Russell. Collins, Hall (I think), Moy, Rimkis were the legs. Rimkis ran a smart anchor leg. Any splits on Henderson's DMR?
-RTJ
Caldwell ran the 8 FYI (just beating his teammate Auer for the win) both credited with 2:03 I think I heard
DeleteAre there results up anywhere? What's the meet called?
DeleteBut really solid time for Russell this early. I'm with RJT, about Aziz, thought he would've been ahead of Russell or at least pushing the pace.
Really solid work for Henderson in the DMR, can't say i'm surprised. That DMR squad could get states time and they'd be Hendersons #2. Could a team run an 'A' and a 'B' squad at states if both qualified with a different 8 runners? I think they should be able to, but I doubt PIAA would allow it.
Did AJ Chaborek run in the meet? I hope he's recovering well from whatever injury/illness he had during the season. He'll play a key role in either a 4x8 or a DMR for them if healthy.
Also solid work by WCE, I suspect they'll be around 10:45 DMR by seasons end, maybe faster if cummings keeps cumming along nicely... Punny anyone?
With Courtney Smith racing, was Yannacone/the Boys Unionville team there? I'd like to see how he starts off his season.
--ForrestCRN
PTFCA runs indoor states, not the PIAA
Deletethe Henderson Legs were Collins, Noah Richard (So.), Moy, Rimkis
DeleteSorry, I meant Ken Leidel, not Billy Caldwell.
ReplyDeleteForrest, you cannot qualify two relays, even if they are composed of eight different individuals. You aren't even allowed to run a 4x800 and DMR if two completely different relays qualify. AJ did not run in the meet.
Cummings started off that race as if it was an 800. I'm good friends with his former teammates, they said he was angry or something. Not sure, but if he gains a little self control, he will be a nice piece of their DMR and definitely a sub 4:30 miler.
Unionville was there, but Yannacone wasn't. I'm friends with a few runners from there and I believe Steve is injured. He was having problems with something in his legs (shins i believe). He may train through indoors and get ready for outdoors.
-RTJ
Actually Yannacone was there. Whether he ran or not is a question im not sure of because he was in full sweats but i didn't see him in any of the open events
DeleteI heard Pondel got a stress fracture?! Anyone know if this?
ReplyDeleteThere were some good mile times for this early in Janaury. Does anyone know why the Chester County Championships are held so early? It seems like they should be at least a month later. - RJJL
ReplyDeleteHenderson DMR Splits-Collins-3:18.5
ReplyDeleteRichard-57.6
Moy-2:06.6
Rimkis-4:35.4
Russell doubled for the 4x400 also, he ran a 55 after the little break he had. That's pretty solid for him especially because he really isnt a speed guy. In the mile, although it was a race for everyone, Russell was definitely the only guy who looked comfortable out of everyone. He held almost perfect splits every quarter. One thing about Russell is that he barely looks tired after he races now, the kid keeps his composure very well and I think that would help a lot for a possible double at states.
ReplyDeleteI thought as much RTJ, thanks for clarifying though. That's a shame, cause it definently hurts Henderson, those other 4 guys, whoever they are, deserve to race at states.
ReplyDeleteReally nice 1200 split this early from Collins, I hope he keeps progressing well, maybe get down in the 3:12's by seasons end.
I hope Yannacone and Pondel are ok, they'll be greatly missed if injured. If Pondel just got the stress fracture he should be able to be back and running past by end of april, but hopefully he's alright. And same with Yannacone, he's a beast on the track and he ran really well at Districts this XC season.
Seems like a real solid double for Russell as well. 55 is a good split for a distance guy this early.
Speaking of quarter splits, Christian Sanders with a 51.! that's crazy for a 16:00 guy. Hopefully we see him drop some bombs in the 800 and the mile in the coming weeks. Great pick up Etrain, I skimmed over that.
--ForrestCRN
I was standing with Russell, Barchet, Jack (McDonald formerly WCE runner), and Tim Collins (Seamus' brother). The point of me saying is it because one of them (I think Tim) was apparently supposed to give Seamus his lap count and splits, but didn't, and Seamus didn't know when to kick and I think he said he kicked too early... or too late. Either way, he could probably go faster if he knew where he was and kicked at the right time. My guess is that they do that DMR again later in the season and those four make it (maybe a different 400 leg) and Reiny, Russell, and Chaborek (if he is back) can go open. Or Henderson runs a hot DMR at the armory, but at States those four run in it.
ReplyDeleteIt's probably so early because there are a lot of armory meets in the latter half of the season/Ursinus is pretty local and that's the only time they were available. That would be my guess. Honestly, it's not really a championship meet. I was actually just talking to a few of my chesmont graduates about this. The only real benefit of that meet is that you can wear spikes...
-RTJ
Yes Seamus lost track of his laps, I was standing with Rimkis as I saw Seamus shouting at spectators looking for a lap number and he ended up kicking too late.
DeleteAnd if your interested...
WCE Splits: (11:05)
Diestelow 3:21
Wolfe 0:54
Dougherty 2:05
Cummings 4:46
- Cummings WC East
Diestelow finished ahead of Seamus so he ran around 3:18 low. All other times seem accurate though.
DeleteForrest - WCH should have some flexibility at States. They could potential qualify 5-7 in a combination of mile and/or 3000, and perhaps 2 more different runners in the 800. Plus the DMR. If the goal is to give as many runners the State experience they could send perhaps 10+ guys. If the goal is DMR glory, maybe it’s 2 less since Russell/Barchet would presumably be in the DMR.
ReplyDeleteMy guess is they’ll go for sending the most runners that they can to States and save the DMR for Nationals/Penn Relays – that assumes they’ve qualified for the DMR somewhere along the way, which is likely but not a given.
As far as deserving to go to States… if ever there was a runner who deserved to run at States, it’s Henderson's Ricky Waltz in XC. Here’s a guy who at Districts XC, qualified for States individually and didn’t get to run because he didn’t make the teams varsity squad for States.
Has that ever happened before? I don’t know a thing about the kid but that misfortune makes him definitely someone to root for going forward!
-RJJL
There have been, still are, and will be many MANY varsity level guys who are talented enough to go to states but are on teams that are too good or too deep. And then there are the teams that are in districts that only get to send one team to states with 5 individuals and have to go to states with only 5 kids running coughcoughD12coughcough.
ReplyDeleteMany? OK. Name one other guy who qualified for XC States as an individual but didn't get to run because he didn't make his teams varsity.
DeleteGordy Barchet... although he ended up on their varsity at the end
DeleteI should have explained that better. I realize Waltz did not technically qualify as an individual, since he ran for a team that qualified. However, he finished ahead of the 25th individual qualifier in the District Race, so my point was he ran well enough that day to have made it on his own, if the rules permitted that. Dan Foster was the 25th individual qualifier and Waltz beat him in the race, yet Foster ran states and Waltz didn't. Maybe it's happened before but I can't think of one instance where someone actually beat the qualifying standard, but didn’t get to run States because he didn’t make his teams State varsity squad. I suppose it's happened on relay teams, but XC?
DeleteGordy Barchet ran States, so he doesn’t count. O'hara had the same varsity runners at Districts and States. Even Coatesville’s national championship team didn’t go that deep after the 6th man.
-RJJL
Henderson ran states with
DeleteTony Russell
Reiny Barchet
Bobby Rimkis
Sam Haugh
Seamus Collins
Eric Stratman
Alex Knapp
.....Gordy got to run regionals and nationals because sam haugh cut his hand but gordy did not run states. he got 31st overall at districts
I stand corrected, it did happen at least once before, about 10 seconds before it happened to Waltz. I forgot Gordy Barchet didn't run states. At least he got to run regionals & nationals. Thanks for the correction.
Delete-RJJL
I've never heard of it happening before this year.
DeleteHenderson and O'Hara are probably the only two teams that have guys beyond their 7th man that could make States individually (He was 6th that day, but they were missing part of their varsity). Most team's 5-7th man don't even qualify for States individually.
ReplyDelete-RTJ
Gordy Barchet didn't run at States. He did run at Nationals when Sam Haugh hurt his hand. Gordy ran 16:08 at Districts-finished 31st and was clearly Henderson's 8th man. BTW-is Haugh running indoors?
ReplyDeleteHenderson ran Gordy Barchet, Waltz and Moy at districts for the win but none of those guys ran at states.
ReplyDeleteGetting to xc states isn't even the biggest problem, How many henderson guys do you think will be sub 9:50(D1 qualifying time for the 3200) and won't be able to run it because of the 3 person rule?
ReplyDeletePotentially, 9 or 10 WCH runners could be sub 9:50. They had 9 under 9:56 in that tune up for Regionals with O'Hara back in November. Even if Russell/Barchet focus on the 1600, chances are someone is going to be left out.
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutCFMc5khY
DeleteMy stance on this situation
You don't care because you don't understand the situation. If one team has 15 kids that qualify for districts then let all 15 run, only allowing 3 compromises the meet's legitimacy. Henderson could have 4 guys medal at states in the 3200 and probably 2 or 3 more in the top 15, but they can't run all of them because of a stupid rule put in place where you can only have 3 kids from one school compete in the same event. If one team has a huge amount of good runners, then greatttt for them, that just shows how good the coach is. What's the point in letting kids who are worse than henderson's 4th guy potentially grab a medal at districts and qualify for states when they wouldn't if the 4th guy ran (im not saying henderson's 4th guy will undoubtedly medal, but from how things look now, either seamus, sam, or eric would be in that 8th spot at districts behind Russell, Barchet, and Rimkis). That's what the problem is and that's why so many people want to get that rule changed.
DeleteWhile I agree with you on the how unfortunate this all is. Lets take a look at the potential D1 3200 field- Russell, Barchet, Quinn, Norris, MaCauely, Wilson, Kazanjian, Rimkis, Harriman, Webb, Brophy, Emery, Berry, Feruzzi, Bodine and others. Obviously not all these guys will opt for the 3200 (I wouldn't be surprised if Harriman or Norris went mile) to say that a fourth Henderson runner could beat out that kind of field for an 8th spot is highly unlikely. Stratman, Haugh, and Collins are all extremely talented but I just don't see that happening.
DeleteOops. My apologies. Skimmed over your parathesis.
DeleteI have to agree with that. I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the team limits but it does seem unfair that someone be penalized for being on a great team.
DeleteStates XC is a great example. Waltz & G Barchet could make it individually in a very deep District 1, but they didn't get to run. Who's to say they'll get a chance next year, they could be injured. And what if they were seniors? And again, those same two guys could be the odd men out in outdoor if WCH qualifies a group in the 3200.
Runners take a lot of pride going to States. There were at least three runners at Hershey this year who warmed up with a walking boot on. That usually indicates stress fracture or some other serious injury. They dropped the boot and ran/limped through a painful yet rewarding State experience. One girl literally broke stride on the downhill of the last Aloha hill because she was trying to run through an injury. Those running one last race hurt, just shows one aspect of how much it means to run States, which for most just getting there is the ultimate goal.
It seems a bit unfair that someone who has/can qualify is denied that experience because of team limits.
-RJJL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BowcXMcQWxI
ReplyDeleteStop talking about WCH and CO! There not even the best track teams in the state!
ReplyDeleteThis is a blog for distance runners. Who has a better/deeper group of distance runners then either of those teams? They both could have 5 guys under the SQS outdoors. Have any teams other then the Glen Mills shot putters ever done that?
DeleteWho is the best track team in the State?
I wasn't aware of the 3 per team rule at districts. That's stupid. It's districts. If they make the standard they should be able to run it. It's not like they will all go to States.
ReplyDeleteAs of now, I'd say Cheltenham is the best team in the State for boys and Swenson for girls. Cheltenham should medal in the TJ, 200 (they ran a 1:30... someone on that team will go open), 4x200, 4x400 (ran it on a flat track all off doubles/triples), and 400/800 (whichever one John Lewis runs).
P.S.- Whoever said stop the WCH and OH talk... it's Etrain's blog. This blog is male, distance-oriented. This blog isn't the place to talk about anything else(even though I try and start a little sprinter/girl talk... never works).
-RTJ