We looked through the performance list and came up with a few thoughts on the meet and events, hopefully we'll be attending. On another note, Tony Russell ran 3:02.5 in the 1200 leg of the DMR today at the NJ Varsity Classic where they took 4th as a relay in 10:21. He was 2:30 through 1000. This kid is on fire, and he might have PR'd in the 800 on his way to the 1200.
--train and CRN
Also, Dominic DeLuca is a name we forgot to mension in the 3k. He didn't race at championship season for XC, not sure if it was illness or injury, but it's his first meet in over 3 months. Not sure if he will mix it up, but he is a sleeper pick for sure.
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C-K will be running the double, I'd put him around 4:38 -- 9:20.
Balla: He's run in the 9:20's twice this year, and Etrain and I looked at him as a possible contender, but he'll probably be around 9:15 at best. He seems like more of an XC type especially after that 4:47 mile.
Doran: His name was also brought up in conversation for the video. There were a lot of 3k guys who have sub 9:10 and sub 9 potential so guys like him we weren't able to mension. I see him in the 9:20 range with C-K and Balla.
All 3 are solid guys, the field was just deeper for the 3k and we couldn't fit them in.
Totally my bad, I skipped over that result when I was looking for Willig. Didn't think he had that type of race in him. Definently a guy to look out for then if he can keep rolling like that.
Strath havens 800 leg led off against Kevin James this weekend at Glenn mills in a 4x8 and handed off rite with him in about a 2:03 so he's looking really good for their dmr
Good call on Cummings winning the 3K. He's one of the most consistent guys out there. Don't discount Diestelow in the mile. 1- He's still only a Sophemore and 2- He really didn't run full time until this year. He's a solid 1,200 meter leg on the DMR and will be under 4:30 in the mile. How far under depends on how fast the race goes out. East has a few quality milers in the 4:30's (Cummings, Crump, Hughes) but Diestelow is probably the only one capable to run under 4:30 right now.
Sucks that WC East may not have anybody qualified for States because they ran a lousy schedule and at lousy tracks. Maybe if they ran up at the Armory like Henderson and DWest, they'd have guys already qualified. Cummings in the 3K and Diestelow in the mile would both be qualified if they ran on better tracks against faster competition. Indoor is a joke when one team runs at a shoebox like Glen Mills and the other at the Armory.
You made a really bad comparison there. All of Henderson's guys who qualified for states are more talented than east's, there's no counter argument that can be backed up by fact. yeah i feel bad for everyone who lost a chance to qualify but you're making it seem like another team had kids qualify only because they had an advantage over East because of the better track. Especially in Henderson's case, i thought everyone already understood this by the multitude of posts exclusively about the team (a bit too many, but when you make as much noise as them i can't really argue against making more) but i guess some people still need a reality check. All but one of henderson's qualifiers as sophomores were already on the level of the best East kids now (that one qualifier is Seamus, he didn't really show up until this past XC season, he's improved a lot). East has run on better tracks than glen mills just like all of the other PA competition. They just didn't qualify, there are thousands of other runners who haven't qualified for states. They just need to train harder and do it in the outdoor season.
Maybe I missed something. Where does the comment about East not having a qualifier mention anything bad about Henderson? There wasn't any comparison made between East and Henderson's runners that I saw. The point was that East doesn't have a qualifier yet for States and that stinks for them. Henderson is a deep and talented team and I don't see the comment made above as a dig on them. They're an amazing team- their performance at XC States speaks for itself. The Henderson kids qualified because they're good. They get to run at better venues because they're a better team right now. Looks like the actual point was that East not having a runner at states isn't a true statement of the program there because they have some excellent runners who probably would have benefitted from a late season run on a quality track.
"Indoor is a joke when one team runs at a shoebox like Glen Mills and the other at the Armory." "Maybe if they ran up at the Armory like Henderson and DWest, they'd have guys already qualified." Those are the lines i'm talking about, especially the first one because to me it seems more like Indoor is a joke because East didn't qualify when 2 other teams did. Indoor isn't a joke at all, the excuse the person made for East not qualifying is the joke. We can take this off of just henderson and expand it to other teams because I doubt those guys like getting pulled into every debate there is on this blog. But understand that East is no Henderson, La Salle, Downingtown West or even D-East, no O'hara, Penn Ridge, Pensbury, Bensalem, Strath Haven, North Penn, or Council Rock North. These are only the schools that are close to West Chester East, add in the whole State and you have a bunch more schools that they don't compare to at this point. I'll be honest, I'm shocked Cummings hasn't qualified yet, but i doubt a huge amount of people expected anyone else from that team to qualify individually no matter what track they ran on. I'm sorry i'm so brutal with these comments but most people would consider someone as an excellent runner if they could go well under SQS, not if they could just make it in by a second or two. And right now Cummings is the only one on that team who i could even consider to be anywhere near "excellent" he just hasn't shown it yet. People can take this however they want because not everyone will agree with me all of the time.
Doesn't sound like a hate posting but given that WCEast does have talented runners, it's a shame for them they haven't been put in a position to qual. If a team doesn't aspire to run big meets other than the basic area ones, then they appear to not be interested in taking it to the next level.
I don't think anyone would be out here if they didn't aspire to "take it to the next level". Some teams can't make big meets due to budgetary constraints, East may just be one of them. I don't think its right to tell their talented guys like Diestelow or Cummings that they don't appear interested in taking it to the next level, because they haven't run at the armory.
"But understand that East is no Henderson, La Salle, Downingtown West or even D-East, no O'hara, Penn Ridge, Pensbury, Bensalem, Strath Haven, North Penn, or Council Rock North." fair statement, but only if you explicitly state that you are only talking about track. WC East got 7th in the state in XC while one of your examples, D Est, got 20th at districts. Obviously, track and cross country are very different. But when looking at the distance programs as a whole, it is completely ridiculous to say that D East, or any of the other teams you listed that did absolutely nothing during XC season, is superior to WC East.
Whats a shame are the programs with coaches who don't take it seriously because the athletes will respond to a motivated coach. WCH is the only of the three wc that trains consistently during indoor.
That is if you qualified for the Meet of Champions. Many guys were going to try and qualify at the meets that were cancelled.
Plus now some guys who don't have the SQS need to run the event 2 weeks in a row, which isn't ideal. For example with the 3k guys like Cummings, Wilson, and Emery need to qualify, bu now have to race it at MoC'sand then states, when they could have qualified this weekend and then ran the mile or 800 as a speed tune-up during MoC's (in a relay or something).
Not to mension relays that needed to qualify, such as CV and State College, who won' have another chance.
Balla, Doran, and Conrad-Kline are all names to put on that 3k list
ReplyDeleteC-K will be running the double, I'd put him around 4:38 -- 9:20.
DeleteBalla: He's run in the 9:20's twice this year, and Etrain and I looked at him as a possible contender, but he'll probably be around 9:15 at best. He seems like more of an XC type especially after that 4:47 mile.
Doran: His name was also brought up in conversation for the video. There were a lot of 3k guys who have sub 9:10 and sub 9 potential so guys like him we weren't able to mension. I see him in the 9:20 range with C-K and Balla.
All 3 are solid guys, the field was just deeper for the 3k and we couldn't fit them in.
--ForrestCRN
9:20 for Doran? He ran 9:03 at Yale. That' sounds fishy.
DeleteDoran is one of six guys who have run between 9:00 and 9:10 and will be looking for SQS. Along with Berry, should be a great race!
DeleteTotally my bad, I skipped over that result when I was looking for Willig. Didn't think he had that type of race in him. Definently a guy to look out for then if he can keep rolling like that.
DeleteThanks for correcting me!
--ForrestCRN
Strath havens 800 leg led off against Kevin James this weekend at Glenn mills in a 4x8 and handed off rite with him in about a 2:03 so he's looking really good for their dmr
ReplyDeleteBoth West Chester schools? There's actually three. I'm sure that was an unintentional slight.
ReplyDeleteThe schools with west chester in their name. West chester east, and west chester Henderson. Rustin is just Rustin.
DeleteMy cousin went to Rustin. I wouldn't forget about them :)
Delete--ForrestCRN
Is that a new school without a team?
DeleteRustin is in fact called West Chester Rustin,
DeleteEric Diestelow is in fact called Dee-Stell-o
Hope that helps, nice vids etrain, keep em Cummings
He'll Russell something up
DeleteHe always Coates this blog with good info on the West Chester School's runners, I don't know Haugh he does it.
DeleteRogers that!
DeleteWell guys we got to remember that he only posts if he's Willig to....
DeleteSorry Willig kid, but ya ruined it. West Chester runners only...
DeleteI felt like it was a chesmont thing. No need to be a Crump
DeleteWhat is a Crump?
DeleteI think he meant a grump. I believe the reference was from west Chester East runner Trey Crump
DeleteGood call on Cummings winning the 3K. He's one of the most consistent guys out there. Don't discount Diestelow in the mile. 1- He's still only a Sophemore and 2- He really didn't run full time until this year. He's a solid 1,200 meter leg on the DMR and will be under 4:30 in the mile. How far under depends on how fast the race goes out. East has a few quality milers in the 4:30's (Cummings, Crump, Hughes) but Diestelow is probably the only one capable to run under 4:30 right now.
DeleteThe actual name for rustin is west chester rustin
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of WC Rustin, has anyone heard from Chris Coates? Will he be able to run in the Spring?
DeleteSchool activities for the West Chester Area School District are canceled until noon tomorrow, that means WC East and Henderson cannot attend the meet.
ReplyDeleteI heard that the meet @ Lehigh was going to be postponed untill 2:00 p.m.
DeleteTFCAofGP and PTFCA both announced the Last Chance Meet and Track Carnival are cancelled.
DeleteSucks that WC East may not have anybody qualified for States because they ran a lousy schedule and at lousy tracks. Maybe if they ran up at the Armory like Henderson and DWest, they'd have guys already qualified. Cummings in the 3K and Diestelow in the mile would both be qualified if they ran on better tracks against faster competition. Indoor is a joke when one team runs at a shoebox like Glen Mills and the other at the Armory.
ReplyDeleteYou made a really bad comparison there. All of Henderson's guys who qualified for states are more talented than east's, there's no counter argument that can be backed up by fact. yeah i feel bad for everyone who lost a chance to qualify but you're making it seem like another team had kids qualify only because they had an advantage over East because of the better track. Especially in Henderson's case, i thought everyone already understood this by the multitude of posts exclusively about the team (a bit too many, but when you make as much noise as them i can't really argue against making more) but i guess some people still need a reality check. All but one of henderson's qualifiers as sophomores were already on the level of the best East kids now (that one qualifier is Seamus, he didn't really show up until this past XC season, he's improved a lot). East has run on better tracks than glen mills just like all of the other PA competition. They just didn't qualify, there are thousands of other runners who haven't qualified for states. They just need to train harder and do it in the outdoor season.
DeleteMaybe I missed something. Where does the comment about East not having a qualifier mention anything bad about Henderson? There wasn't any comparison made between East and Henderson's runners that I saw. The point was that East doesn't have a qualifier yet for States and that stinks for them. Henderson is a deep and talented team and I don't see the comment made above as a dig on them. They're an amazing team- their performance at XC States speaks for itself. The Henderson kids qualified because they're good. They get to run at better venues because they're a better team right now. Looks like the actual point was that East not having a runner at states isn't a true statement of the program there because they have some excellent runners who probably would have benefitted from a late season run on a quality track.
Delete"Indoor is a joke when one team runs at a shoebox like Glen Mills and the other at the Armory." "Maybe if they ran up at the Armory like Henderson and DWest, they'd have guys already qualified." Those are the lines i'm talking about, especially the first one because to me it seems more like Indoor is a joke because East didn't qualify when 2 other teams did. Indoor isn't a joke at all, the excuse the person made for East not qualifying is the joke. We can take this off of just henderson and expand it to other teams because I doubt those guys like getting pulled into every debate there is on this blog. But understand that East is no Henderson, La Salle, Downingtown West or even D-East, no O'hara, Penn Ridge, Pensbury, Bensalem, Strath Haven, North Penn, or Council Rock North. These are only the schools that are close to West Chester East, add in the whole State and you have a bunch more schools that they don't compare to at this point. I'll be honest, I'm shocked Cummings hasn't qualified yet, but i doubt a huge amount of people expected anyone else from that team to qualify individually no matter what track they ran on. I'm sorry i'm so brutal with these comments but most people would consider someone as an excellent runner if they could go well under SQS, not if they could just make it in by a second or two. And right now Cummings is the only one on that team who i could even consider to be anywhere near "excellent" he just hasn't shown it yet. People can take this however they want because not everyone will agree with me all of the time.
DeleteAh were back to hating on East, its like cross country all over again
DeleteDoesn't sound like a hate posting but given that WCEast does have talented runners, it's a shame for them they haven't been put in a position to qual. If a team doesn't aspire to run big meets other than the basic area ones, then they appear to not be interested in taking it to the next level.
DeleteI don't think anyone would be out here if they didn't aspire to "take it to the next level". Some teams can't make big meets due to budgetary constraints, East may just be one of them. I don't think its right to tell their talented guys like Diestelow or Cummings that they don't appear interested in taking it to the next level, because they haven't run at the armory.
Delete"But understand that East is no Henderson, La Salle, Downingtown West or even D-East, no O'hara, Penn Ridge, Pensbury, Bensalem, Strath Haven, North Penn, or Council Rock North." fair statement, but only if you explicitly state that you are only talking about track. WC East got 7th in the state in XC while one of your examples, D Est, got 20th at districts. Obviously, track and cross country are very different. But when looking at the distance programs as a whole, it is completely ridiculous to say that D East, or any of the other teams you listed that did absolutely nothing during XC season, is superior to WC East.
ReplyDeleteWhats a shame are the programs with coaches who don't take it seriously because the athletes will respond to a motivated coach. WCH is the only of the three wc that trains consistently during indoor.
DeleteDon't most runners get to qualify for States next week at Meet of Champion (as long as they qualified for MOC)?
DeleteThat is if you qualified for the Meet of Champions. Many guys were going to try and qualify at the meets that were cancelled.
DeletePlus now some guys who don't have the SQS need to run the event 2 weeks in a row, which isn't ideal. For example with the 3k guys like Cummings, Wilson, and Emery need to qualify, bu now have to race it at MoC'sand then states, when they could have qualified this weekend and then ran the mile or 800 as a speed tune-up during MoC's (in a relay or something).
Not to mension relays that needed to qualify, such as CV and State College, who won' have another chance.
--ForrestCRN