Wait, is that it with the top 5? Because you mentioned Tony as being #1 and had his name up but you continued talking about max being #2. Is Tony going to be discussed in the next video because you ran out of time or was that it?
As stated in the preview for the next video, Tony has been discussed quite a bit in other video's, especially the mile, plus the time of 8:38.01 truely speaks for itself. He's #1.
Another variable is Aziz and Wister(not sure on spelling) both don't have the same level of competition for outdoor postseason so they may try and peak for indoor unlike everyone else, indoor is just a stepping stone for the real big outdoor season. Just something to keep in mind.
I've run indoor every year and I don't get when people say runners don't train to peak indoors. Our DMR last year was trained to peak at indoor States... we weren't trained to half peak at indoor States and peak at outdoor States (granted we had an injury/bad race the second day of districts and didn't make it... but that's not the point). There's a break between seasons and that mends the physical and mental stress put on you and you start building again for outdoor States. It's not like you can just peak one time in two seasons.
Being a runner myself I don't take a break between indoor and outdoor and indoor is definitely not something I see as important as outdoor and i know i train to peak in outdoor not indoor
I'm sorry but i'm with him ^, outdoor is the season that matters the most. an indoor national gold doesnt count for half as much of an outdoor national gold, or even medal because a lot of states dont compete indoors.
I'm with RJT on this one. I think you guys are confusing the term peaking. Winter track is a great way to gain a big base for spring season, especially in high school when outdoor you have duel meets that take away from workout days. At a north runner, we would effectively "train through" meets, by running long tempos the day before instead of doing a pre-race type workout. But come meet of champions and states we backed off significantly to ensure we raced well. A state medal is a state medal, (granted, the indoor medals look like junk compared to outdoor), but all teams will effectively "peak" for indoor states/nationals. Taking 2 weeks or so a bit easier on training in order to race fast in the winter, will not inhibit ability in spring. Guys who "train through" winter shouldn't be competing at states or nationals indoors because racing takes away from training.
I agree you go a little easier but lets be honest a guy like Russell isn't trying to drop his fastest time of the year in indoor, and thats my opinion of what peaking should be, the sum of all your work into a small stretch of time, yes maybe tapering a little for indoor states but its totally different than the tapering for outdoor. I'm just saying that Aziz of Shearn will probably have a little more of an incentive for this indoor state medal than other runners because he doesn't have the same competition outdoors.
Training through hurts a lot of athletes. You need a break between seasons. You train indoor and train to peak just like you would cross country and outdoor. You just have a break in-between seasons of a week or so. I don't think you guys understand what I mean by peaking like what Forrest said.
An indoor national medal is amazing, don't take anything away from those athletes... I'm sure most people would be just as happy with an indoor one than an outdoor one. I've gotten a medal at outdoor nationals in a relay and I would have been just as happy if it was indoor (maybe a little less happy because it was cold, but that's not what I mean...). Even if you look at the times they are similar... so that argument is invalid.
The only athlete from PA that I can think of that got a medal at nationals indoors and outdoors was Emma Keenan. 3rd place w/ a 2:09 outdoors... 6th with a 2:10 outdoors. Pretty close to me. Indoors had the more impressive overall race by the times.
For boys, the 800 was basically equivalent. The mile was even more impressive indoors. The 4x800 is one of the few that's easily more impressive outdoors than indoors. 4x400 being the other event slightly better. That's only because more teams raced it last year outdoors.
Most high school athletes can't "peak" twice in 2 1/2 months. Most good programs will train hard in the winter and run well within the training. They then try to peak outdoors. Getting injured is one of the by products of trying to peak twice in a short period of time. If you're a distance runner, trying to peak 3 times in 6 months is period of time doesn't make any sense.
More top PA athletes run and do well at indoor nationals because it's closer and it fits in the training better. Outdoors, you have to hang on for 3 weeks after the State meet. Plus, you don't have as much team support after States outdoors. Indoors, everyone is still running outdoor so the camaraderie is better as you prepare for that meet.
Outdoors is three weeks after, indoors is two weeks. You don't have team support after indoors either. No one is running after the State meet except for the runners going to nationals... just like outdoors. Getting injured is what happens when runners don't take breaks between indoor/outdoor (Dustin Wilson, Chris Campbell, etc.). I guess we can agree to disagree and end this dispute.
Wait, is that it with the top 5? Because you mentioned Tony as being #1 and had his name up but you continued talking about max being #2. Is Tony going to be discussed in the next video because you ran out of time or was that it?
ReplyDeletetony was discussed..
ReplyDeleteAs stated in the preview for the next video, Tony has been discussed quite a bit in other video's, especially the mile, plus the time of 8:38.01 truely speaks for itself. He's #1.
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Another variable is Aziz and Wister(not sure on spelling) both don't have the same level of competition for outdoor postseason so they may try and peak for indoor unlike everyone else, indoor is just a stepping stone for the real big outdoor season. Just something to keep in mind.
ReplyDeleteI've run indoor every year and I don't get when people say runners don't train to peak indoors. Our DMR last year was trained to peak at indoor States... we weren't trained to half peak at indoor States and peak at outdoor States (granted we had an injury/bad race the second day of districts and didn't make it... but that's not the point). There's a break between seasons and that mends the physical and mental stress put on you and you start building again for outdoor States. It's not like you can just peak one time in two seasons.
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Being a runner myself I don't take a break between indoor and outdoor and indoor is definitely not something I see as important as outdoor and i know i train to peak in outdoor not indoor
DeleteI'm sorry but i'm with him ^, outdoor is the season that matters the most. an indoor national gold doesnt count for half as much of an outdoor national gold, or even medal because a lot of states dont compete indoors.
DeleteI'm with RJT on this one. I think you guys are confusing the term peaking. Winter track is a great way to gain a big base for spring season, especially in high school when outdoor you have duel meets that take away from workout days. At a north runner, we would effectively "train through" meets, by running long tempos the day before instead of doing a pre-race type workout. But come meet of champions and states we backed off significantly to ensure we raced well. A state medal is a state medal, (granted, the indoor medals look like junk compared to outdoor), but all teams will effectively "peak" for indoor states/nationals. Taking 2 weeks or so a bit easier on training in order to race fast in the winter, will not inhibit ability in spring. Guys who "train through" winter shouldn't be competing at states or nationals indoors because racing takes away from training.
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I agree you go a little easier but lets be honest a guy like Russell isn't trying to drop his fastest time of the year in indoor, and thats my opinion of what peaking should be, the sum of all your work into a small stretch of time, yes maybe tapering a little for indoor states but its totally different than the tapering for outdoor. I'm just saying that Aziz of Shearn will probably have a little more of an incentive for this indoor state medal than other runners because he doesn't have the same competition outdoors.
DeleteTraining through hurts a lot of athletes. You need a break between seasons. You train indoor and train to peak just like you would cross country and outdoor. You just have a break in-between seasons of a week or so. I don't think you guys understand what I mean by peaking like what Forrest said.
ReplyDeleteAn indoor national medal is amazing, don't take anything away from those athletes... I'm sure most people would be just as happy with an indoor one than an outdoor one. I've gotten a medal at outdoor nationals in a relay and I would have been just as happy if it was indoor (maybe a little less happy because it was cold, but that's not what I mean...). Even if you look at the times they are similar... so that argument is invalid.
The only athlete from PA that I can think of that got a medal at nationals indoors and outdoors was Emma Keenan. 3rd place w/ a 2:09 outdoors... 6th with a 2:10 outdoors. Pretty close to me. Indoors had the more impressive overall race by the times.
For boys, the 800 was basically equivalent. The mile was even more impressive indoors. The 4x800 is one of the few that's easily more impressive outdoors than indoors. 4x400 being the other event slightly better. That's only because more teams raced it last year outdoors.
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Most high school athletes can't "peak" twice in 2 1/2 months. Most good programs will train hard in the winter and run well within the training. They then try to peak outdoors. Getting injured is one of the by products of trying to peak twice in a short period of time. If you're a distance runner, trying to peak 3 times in 6 months is period of time doesn't make any sense.
ReplyDeleteMore top PA athletes run and do well at indoor nationals because it's closer and it fits in the training better. Outdoors, you have to hang on for 3 weeks after the State meet. Plus, you don't have as much team support after States outdoors. Indoors, everyone is still running outdoor so the camaraderie is better as you prepare for that meet.
Outdoors is three weeks after, indoors is two weeks. You don't have team support after indoors either. No one is running after the State meet except for the runners going to nationals... just like outdoors. Getting injured is what happens when runners don't take breaks between indoor/outdoor (Dustin Wilson, Chris Campbell, etc.). I guess we can agree to disagree and end this dispute.
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