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Weekend Action 1/12

So we are having a little technical difficulties for the show, but to hold you over I'm going to just post up some thoughts on the weekend action with some more in depth thoughts and analysis to come when we can get the video stuff together. Here are some things I noticed from the weekend.

A couple nice wins from Jordan Crawford this past weekend at F&M. Uncontested he just missed the mile state qualifier in what I believe is his first race of indoors. He then doubled back to win the 800m. You may hear this kids name a bit later.

Nice win for Lucas Elek in the open 8 at TFCA. He ran some solid marks in the high 1:50s last year indoors and he just needs to put the pieces together for a breakout race. Interesting to see Wissahickon's Stellato move up to the 800m. There could be potential there over time for some impressive marks. He is a 48 guy outdoors keep in mind.

Nick Scarpato has been quietly winning races and mixing it up with some solid guys. If he gets in the right race he may be pulled along to a state qualifying time in the near future. The 3k was pretty impressive as well. Pastore and Cummings both ran above what I thought their fitness was. O'Hara legitimately can have 5 guys scare the SQS. Cummings has really taken a lot of nice steps including a solid XC season and he seems to be carrying the momentum to track. His squad ran a 10:55 without him as well. Chris Kazanjian ran the 3k as well. He has to do some work to get down to the SQS, but this was his first real 3k so he has time.

Upper Merion dropped a nice 4x8, probably would be best off as a relay in the DMR, although the DMR state standard is much tougher. Harriton ran an 8:35 for second. I don't know if Norris is back racing, but maybe there are some pieces there for a DMR as well. We are talking about two pretty deep sleepers in the relays but you never know. The DMR was sick. Huemmler I assume ran a pretty sick anchor leg in response to all of his criticisms of late. His surrounding cast is probably the worst on paper out of the LaSalle, GFS, O'Hara and Pennsbury teams that have made pushes for the SQS, but still Haven dropped a sick mark and a big win. I would be interested to know who toed the line for O'Hara in this race. They have a lot of different pieces that could do a solid job in the DMR. I am curious as to when Savage is coming back as well.

In the D1 races we saw Andrew Stone assert his dominance over Jeff Wiseman. For Wiseman, this is a tough loss after his big win over Rivera, and it puts Stone as one of the favorites in the 800m at this point in the season if not the favorite over Logue. It drops Wiseman to about 4th on my list of favorites for the title, but he is still in the title conversation. He has had better days than this in the past. The Pennsbury boys continue to roll. Their 3rd and 4th best guys ran very nice individual races this weekend. Seeing Pennsbury also drop a 3:33 4x4 makes me feel that this team is considering a team title push of their own. That's something to watch going forward. Interesting to see Bodine back in the open races for the first time, hopefully he can drop close to that SQS as the season moves on, he was strong during XC this year. Billotta is also running very well for LaSalle right now and he and Magee seem to be enough to give this squad a legit 4x8 just as much as a legit DMR.

Nice race for Mac Emery. The 3k is clearly his best event and he needs to carry the momentum from this race through to any race against a solid field so he can get carried a bit towards the SQS. Pennridge ran a very nice 4x8. Logue is going to be busy at states, however, with the open 8, 4x8 and 4x4 all competing for state gold. There is potential for Pennridge to surprise again in a wide open 4x8, no team has really grabbed my attention to date. Also would like to point out the 4x4 is stacked. Neshaminy looks very good as does Pennwood and Cheltenham.

Interesting results at Kutztown this weekend. Having run on that track I can say first hand its slow. Think Glenn Mills track for all you who know that one but perhaps slower. Good to see the Northeast Bradford boys running indoors. They have a shot to sneak into the DMR if they get in the right race. I give them a pass for the lack of fast times opening weekend especially considering the track. Jon Colwell, however, looked very good in his opening performance. That was very impressive, especially given the track. He has the potential to surprise and compete for a medal. A little disappointed with Abert, but Williams is a 9:20 guy outdoors so being in contention with him isn't too bad. He still has a solid mile to open the year to get him into states and he has proven already he can run with the big boys.

CV will be interesting to follow going forward. There was so much doubling and tripling its hard to say exactly what to make of their races. Kevin Dare will be where I will decide how good this team is. They do, however, have some work to do to push towards an indoor state title. Brendan was back running as well. He put up a solid 1600m mark against Matt Calem who, if he is a PA guy, ran a very nice mark for a guy I've never heard of. For Shearn, his strength will always be the longer stuff. He can run the mile of strength for sure but he lacks the natural speed to open up the season in the low 4:20s. The 3k will be his key event, after he runs a couple of those I'll know what kind of shape he will be in for the state title 3k push.

In D7 action, Tyler Rigby opened up with a nice mile and beat out some quality runners in Smathers and the Archers among others. D7 always has guys who can roll and if you can consistently win TSTCA meets you are a candidate to compete for a state championship. Which brings me to Ethan Martin who had a great opening 3k and beat a very solid field. He has consistently been improving on the state level and he may finally be ready to push for a state title in the 3k indoors. Jaskowak had a bit of a rough start, but I expect him to bounce back. The Archers had a great string of races that they should definitely be proud of. Zemet and Luoco both had solid openers and may have the potential to drop time and surprise in the DMR down the line.

Will Cather had a sick double (possibly triple). He had the luxury of running on PSUs track which is really fast, but he also completely dominated two fields in very fast times. At states he will have a bit of home field advantage which can't be overlooked.

Another solid win for Shawn Wolfe over D3 rival Jeff Groh who seems to be bouncing back well off XC. I'd like to see Groh and Nissley at PSU for Kevin Dare. Shawn Wolfe is running very well at under the radar meets thus far this year, certainly keep an eye out for him once he gets on a track that is actually fast.

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  1. Shearn ran his 1600 from the slow section and ran totally alone, lapping people starting on lap 6. Dickinson track is extremely slow though, so I don;t think CV's time is as bad as it appears.

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    1. Coburn went 2:02 and Kunzweiler went 2:01 in the relay, Coburn chased down some team and Kunzweiler ran the 2:01 by himself out front by a few seconds. Remember that cv has to work in a new leg this year too

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    2. Shearn also was forced to start behind the line for the mile. It was funny watching him fight through hoards of 6min milers to try to get away and to the front. He was kind of laughing as he did it. No offense to calem but Shearn probably could have won the mile, also did anyone see that pole vault, the kid was nuts and cleared 16...that's completely insane

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    3. I think everyone on the CV relay ran 3 events and Kunzweiler ran 4

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    4. I would like to point out that carlisle ran 9 seconds behind CV at Dickinson, which is a very slow track, with a 2:15 leg who they are going to replace an experienced 400 runner. Just something to think about. Who knows? maybe we'll see them at states if they qualify in their next meet or two.

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  2. Yeah, I'm really interested in the DMR splits for O'Hara, GFS, and WCE. I'd assume WCE had Diestelow in the 1200, Crump in the mile, and Dougherty in the 800 but I'm not sure.

    I think Cummings had a great bounce back race. He reminds me of Mac Emery. The 3k is definitely his race.

    O'Hara's line up rotates around five boys (Savage, Pitone, James, Belfatto, and Pastore), but any one can run any leg so it's tough to tell. Belfatto hasn't run an open yet this season when the rest of them have, that's concerning. Maybe's he sticking to relays? Maybe Nick Smart is in on the relays? He had 53 low speed on Glen Mill's track, which is impressive for so early in the season and seeing that he isn't a 400 guy, that makes it better.

    -RTJ

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    1. I was at the meet and ohara went Savage, unknown 400 leg james on the 800 and pitone in the mile

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    2. WCE Splits from the DMR:

      Diestelow 3:17
      Wolfe 53
      Dougherty 2:04
      Crump 4:39

      Total: 10:55

      - Cummings, WC East

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    3. Ohara's 400 leg was Tom McNulty

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  3. I was at the haverford meet, and surprisingly Haven have the lead going into the mile leg of the DMR

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    1. Anyone know haven's splits?

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    2. I only timed huemmler who ran 4:25, he went out in 57 and then a 2:04 and was all alone until the last lap where aziz and Pitone closed the gap more.

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    3. I believe all four teams were within 20 yards of each other after three legs, then huemmler took over

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  4. When will the show come out train??

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  5. for the D1 dmr i know kyle francis, jack magee, and alec brand were all around 3:17-3:18 for the 1200 meter leg. dont think the top two teams (Bensalem and CB East) put in their best relays, obviously la salle did not.

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  6. I would like to say Cummings beat Pastore so the winner should go first or at least alphabetical order. "Over their fitness level"? You go to fucking Muhlenberg a d3 school. you could never get to their fucking fitness level

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    1. I apologize for whoever said that. Thanks for the great analysis, etrain.

      -Cummings, WC East

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    2. And I'm sure you're right at their level. Etrain has admitted before he was not on the same level as the guys he covers when he was in high school. Its sorta like the press criticizing a pro athlete. Theyre held to a different standard.

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  7. Logue split a 1:56 in that 4x8 at Haverford and looked very comfortable

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  8. I just want to point out that State College has a real shot in the DMR and as much of a shot as any team out there. Right now, with the times they've run this year in a whopping total of two meets, plus an unfavorable guess for the 1200 leg, here's how they'd look.

    1200: Kyle Adams 3:15, 400: EB Britton or Mason Post: 52.0, Chris Golembeski 2:05, Will Cather 4:29. These times will get much faster as the season goes on keep in mind and this relay could very well have a shot at first place at states.

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  9. for ohara it was james in the 800 savage in the 1200 and pitone in the mile. not sure who ran there 400. james was around 2:02

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    1. Haven's 8 runner and James got the baton at the same time and Haven finished a step or two ahead. Not sure who it was, but if 2:02 is an accurate split, that's a promising 8 leg for haven.

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    2. i dont see y they wouldnt put savage as the anchor

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  10. Jack Magee is looking great! He will be a very important leg on LaSall's DMR. I assume they will keep him fresh and he will be important and giving/maintaining laSall's anchor a lead.

    Haven's 800 leg went 2:03 I believe...

    Kyle Adams at a 3:15? He just ran a 4:41/2:06 double... which is good, but not 3:15. Maybe 3:20-3:25. The rest of the splits seem fine though.

    Logue's split is solid as of now (this matches his time from indoor nationals last year), but I know when he gets on a banked track with competition he can drop a 1:54 or lower. Logue has a racing stile that sort of makes him dependent on a fast field. He kicks hard at 200, but if he's in the lead he will be chasing down no one so he won't have that kick. At States in the open he will have a field of people to catch so he will run fast then. Hopefully he gets in a fast armory race so we can see a fast time from him before States.

    Whoever disrespected Etrain, go somewhere. He has an unbelievable knowledge of the sport and just because he isn't running D1 doesn't mean you can say these things. Your opinions and thoughts are trivial and should be kept to yourself. You don't know if he went to school for running, he might have went for academics and choosing the right school for him. It's his business regardless. He never mentioned anything about HIS fitness level did he? No. He said THEIR fitness level and where he thought they would be. We are all making assumptions on where we think people's fitness levels when we predict times. Get off his blog and quit disrespecting him you pretentious, little... sorry, almost lost it and said regrettable things...

    ...on a lighter note, CRN's DMR could be a surprise. I think if they mix the order up a bit they can run a sick time. This probably won't happen because Wilson will most likely make the 3k and will won't be able to pull off the double, but if they were all fresh they could move.

    -RTJ

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    1. So which races should we be watching this weekend, and who is running?

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    2. Lavino Relays are this weekend, should be some good DMRs and 4x800s there

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  11. Yale. A lot of good PA guys(GV, DTW, GFS, WCH) and others from around the Northeast.

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    1. Russell is saying he's excited for the dmr and 3k this weekend on twitter so I guess that's what he's running, I believe Barchet might also be running the dmr.

      But the DMR not what i'm hyped about, the Russell vs. Barchet vs. whoever else race will be exciting. I would be completely surprised if one of the two, which I expect to be Russell, doesn't get the state #1 time so far. Really, I can see one of them being the US leader by running 8:35 flat. I have nothing against Barchet but his teammate is too clutch this year, Russell has suprised me, everyone else, and himself with his talent.

      The reason why I don't think Aziz is better than them is because that 3200 on the track could not have been taken as a real race the week before regionals. I might be wrong but it makes zero sense as to why they'd go all out in a 2 mile that late in the season and Russell took the lead the entire last mile and quickend the pace for everyone and negative splitted 10 seconds. It obviously wasnt meant as a serious race and Russell didnt even try to hold with Aziz when he passed him. Plus, he went on to win NE regionals right after that, Oh yeah, Barchet was just 4 seconds back after him... Just some thoughts. Aziz is still a sick runner no doubt, he could use this weekend to prove his dominance.

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  12. I agree that Russell or Barchet will run a Pa#1. I do not agree that Russell/Barchet weren't going all out at the two mile race. 9:16 is a fast time and PR for Russell. He's already going that fast, why wouldn't he go all out instead of going 90% and holding back? They wanted to get a race in before Regionals so they are prepared for the pain that is to come. Like you said, it was an entire week before Regionals, if they couldn't recover in that time they weren't ready for Regionals anyway (as results show, they all did recover). O'Hara had a school record broken. I've said it before and I'll say it again, XC is not track. Just because he won XC regionals doesn't mean that 3200 wasn't his all out. Aziz made it to nationals too along with O'Hara. They were all in great shape as well as Russell/Barchet.

    8:35 is fast, but that's about the winning time of Yale, so if the Henderson can keep pace with the top group and pull off a win then that time is doable. I'd say somewhere around 8:40 for Russell and 8:47 for Barchet.

    Yale info:

    Relays

    GV- GV is in the normal DMR (it's listing two 400 runners, Wolffe, and Willig, my guess is as good as yours). Also running 4x800, but not completely loaded.

    WCH- WCH is in the championship DMR and running Collins, Hall, Miller, and Russell. Also has a 4x800, but again, not loaded.

    GFS- Loaded 4x800 (Aziz, Winstar, Finney, Hepp).

    Bonner- Bonner is running the 4x800 (Rastatter, Montgomery, Ryan, McDermott).

    DTE- DTE is running 4x800 (Auer, Caldwell, Carcella, Wells).

    DTW doesn't appear to be running any relays for the boys.

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    3k- 3k is Aziz, Russell, and Barchet in heat one. Winstar in heat two with Collins, Rimkis, and Stratman. Willig in heat three with Steadman, Waltz, and Szuhaj. Those are the top three heats.

    800- 800 has Markle, Carcella, Wells

    Mile- Mile has Ken Leidel in heat one, Caldwell and Auer in heat four, and Mucha in heat six.

    -RTJ

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    1. WCH DMR is actually Barchet Hall Collins Russell

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    2. I think the state champion new what pain was before that 2 mile on the track... They all did, i'm pretty sure that's why it was titled "Work out" Even some professional runners refuse to race weeks before big meets like the Olympic trials. Of course he was trying, but a kick takes a lot out of you and it wouldn't be smart to use energy like that when you have a race to get to nationals soon after. Even Etrain talked about running a sub 15 time at districts could cost you at states the next week. Either way, i don't think Aziz is better than Russell, we'll see this weekend I guess.

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    3. RTJ, where did you find this?

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    4. Link to Yale entries:
      http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/m-track/2012-13/releases/20130115vg2q7a

      Shearn in the fast section of the 3k also. Looks like a big weekend for PA up there. DTW is in the non-championship section of the DMR. They should break 10:40. Leidel is anchoring. Can Henderson break 10:20 without Chaborek?

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    5. I'm expecting a great battle in the DMR between WCH and LaSalle at some point, either states or Penn Relays. Each of these teams has sub 10:10 potential in the right race, with everyone clicking.

      I'd give LaSalle the edge right now. Stone/Coyle have the track record on Russell/ Barchet at these distances, but I don't put anything past WCH. They know how to train, and their jrs. should have some breakout races, so I expect they'll be there come late Feb.

      I don't know where Chaborek has been for WCH, hurt I'm assuming. His sub 2:00 speed will be missed but I have to believe WCH has a couple of guys developing. And there's got to be someone in that school who can run an indoor 53ish 400 or better.

      At this point in the season, anything sub 10:35 is excellent and they should get there this weekend.

      -RJJL

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    6. WCH kids can't have break out races because they already broke out. They have proved what they can do on a big stage. Really what it comes down to is the 1200 leg and seeing that Lasalle has a more natural 1200 runner in Stone than WCH. I don't know who they would throw in the 1200, I would put in Russell with Barchet in the mile because Russell has more speed to stay with Stone. I think Lasalle just has the edge because of Stone, he is the X factor in that relay.

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    7. I'm really unsure where all of this is coming from in regards to the "greatness" of Henderson's DMR. Yes they were great in XC, but last year, neither of the top 2 XC teams ran the DMR, so being good in XC does not translate to a good relay squad. Lets look at the facts: Coyle-- 4:11 miler vs. Russell -- 4:18, even with his breakout XC year (even though he was still 26th last year), at best we put him at 4:16. Still a 5 second difference. Then we have Stone vs. Chaborek. Stone is a 1:52 open vs Chaboreks 1:54 or 1:53 split, and in the mile stone has gone 4:19 to Chaborek's 4:22. So that's 2 to seconds. In the 800 leg they're fairly even with Magee around 2 flat, maybe 1:59 for a Henderson guy, and the 400 is fairly even as well.

      At best for Henderson, Russell gets the baton at the same time as Coyle. Even with Russell pushing the pace Coyle wins that battle easy. So not sure why this race will be so epic, and I'm being pretty generous to Henderson. Chaborek clearly isn't that healthy, and Barchet, Collins, ect would get destroyed by Stone in a 1200. (no offense to those guys, but he's a beast at the speed stuff, and they're not).

      --ForrestCRN

      Maybe i'm missing something here, please enlighten me if I am.

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    8. WCH kids can definitely have break out races this track season. With so many sophs and juniors with a good XC season and proven potetial, it's inevitable that one or two will drop to another level. It would not be surprising at all to see someone like Stratman or Moy or maybe G Barchet drop into the low 4:20's in the mile or a 1:56 800 split indoors.

      I don't see how anyone who has followed the sport this year can say at this point that someone will win a battle easily over Russell.
      Dismissing Russell/Barchet as not speed guys is a underestimating them. Their 800/1600 times as sophs are right their with Stone/Coyle as sophs...and this with Barchet coming off of injury. Each kid is different, but most high school runners have their big drops jr year. Russell/Barchet already showed in XC that they're at another level. There's no reason this shouldn't carry over to track. That's why I think they'll be there with LaSalle, but what do I know, it's just one guys opinion.

      - RJJL

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    9. I'd be pretty surprised to see those guys you named to drop into the low 4:20's or 1:56... Chaborek hasn't even done that indoors and he's their top dog. To see one of the people you named drop that would blow my mind.

      -RTJ

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    10. I can't say for sure it will be one of those I named, but WCH has so much talent that I feel confident in saying that someone will drop down to be closer to Russell/Barchet. One of those three would be my top picks. Maybe it's someone else, who knows perhaps that 400 runner Hall moves up to the 800. But I expect somebody is going to break through.

      Maybe I am overestimating them. But if it happens, I expect you'll ackowledge that it did indeed blow your mind.

      - RJJL

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  13. Watch out for guys out in the WPIAL area... They always seem to drop serious time as indoors progresses with how few meets they run.

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  14. Hall ran a 50 point open last year at chesmonts. I think he got like 3rd or 4th? He has speed.

    As of right now, I'd say Russell > Aziz. Aziz did not look good in that chesco mile so I don't think he's where he needs to be right now. He will get there I expect. I was just saying that I believe Russell was going all out in the time trial.

    Without Chaborek, I don't think WCH can beat LaSall. None of them are on Stone's level and Russell is good, but I can't see him running down Coyle when Coyle has a decent lead. I can't see anyone in the State running down Coyle when he has a lead.

    As for Yale, sorry about the incorrect order and people in WCH's line up. That's who is signed up for it, but sometimes the line up online isn't the line up that's actually running. DTW is in the non seeded DMR as well.

    -RTJ

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    1. I think people are forgetting that Aziz was right with Russell/Barchet in NXN regionals and then fell. He was bleeding and scrapped up, but he got on his feet, recovered (this is 2.5k into the race) and still ran pretty well. I think he would have been able to beat Barchet had he not fallen. Just an opinion, but he definently would have been with those two for sure.

      Although he didn't show great shape in that mile, 2 weeks can change a lot. I watch Coyle and Stone in the 4x8 when they ran 2:02 and 2:04 respectivly, and honestly looked really bad doing it. I was shocked and quite concerned after that, but 2 weeks later they run 4:24's in the mile and Coyle comes back in sub 9 for the 3k. I bet Aziz trained through that meet, much like the LaSalle guys did with the TCGP #3 meet. Don't be surprised if he kills it, same with Shearn, he always brings it at big invites.

      --ForrestCRN

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    2. So what do we think about those running at Kevin Dare?

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    3. I was at regionals just to clear it up, aziz went down but got up fast, he maybe would have gotten 5th or 6th had he not fallen.

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  15. Lets not start heading in that direction again?

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  16. Joey Logue, Alec Kunzweiler, Colin Myers (member of Penncrest's 2nd place 4x800 last indoor season and 5th place last outdoor season), and Ryan Smathers are running the 800.

    Jack Huemmler, Jeff Groh, Ryan Smathers, Dylan Butera (Strath Haven's 1200 leg and key on the 4x800), Curt Jewett, Christian Kardish, Sam Williams are in the mile.

    Matt Kazanjian, Jack Macauley, Cole Nissley, Sam Williams, and Connor Quinn are in the 3k.

    Cumberland Valley, Strath Haven, North Penn, Methacton, and State College are running a hot 4x800.

    There will be a lot of doubling and tripling at this meet. Hopefully it's a long meet so these doubles and triples will be good times.

    -RTJ

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  17. Ignore what I said about Colin Myers. I switched him with Zach Kline. Still, I'd watch out for him. He should go around 2 flat. Penncrest has a good middle distance program.

    -RTJ

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