But on to the real point of this ... how are these guys going to do in a little over a week when they are on the big stage at Hershey?
Historically, AAA has had some bad luck with its District Champions. Dating back to 2007 the AAA District 3 champions were as follows:
2007: Cedar Crest, Vince McNally (State Finish: Cedar Crest 15th, McNally 18th)
2008: Conrad Weiser, Kyle Hurston (State Finish: Conrad Weiser 10th, Hurston 18th)
2009: Conrad Weiser, Chuck Lockwood (State Finish: Conrad Weiser 11th, Lockwood 4th) ,
2010: Hempfield, Alex Galli (State Finish: Hempfield 19th, Galli 45th),
2011: Chambersburg, Jeff Groh (State Finish: Chambersburg 20th, Groh 142nd),
With the exception of 2009, where both the team title winners individual winners were the top runners from District 3 at states, those teams that have ran well at the Hershey district course have struggled at states. Most notably was Vince McNally, who ended up being a Foot Locker Finalist. He fell to 18th at the state meet after being one of the favorites for the title.
The last two years especially have had unfortunate results for D3 runners. Galli and Groh both finished out of the medaling spots at states, the first time in roughly a decade (maybe more, my resources don't go back that far) that the individual District 3 champion did not get a medal at states. The top finishers from D3 were 12th and 14th in each of those years and D3 racked up just 3 medalist spots out of the 50. In 2009 they had 3 of the top 16 runners and in 2008 they had 3 of the top 20.
The team effects were even more significant. Chambersburg and Hempfield came off their District Championships and struggled to compete at the state meet. Each team finished outside the 15 and finished as the 5th District 3 team at the state championships. The District Champions have placed in the top 10 just once at states in the past 5 state meets (Conrad Weiser, 10th).
However, there is a bright spot here for Cumberland Valley supporters. The team does know how to navigate the course two weeks in a row. Despite not winning a District Championship in the past 5 years, CV was the top team at states from District 3 4 out of the past 5 years. Guys like Chris Cotino, Andy Flynn, Mark Fuller, Ryan Hartzel and Alec Kunzweiler have improved relative to the rest of the District at the state championships.
But perhaps what surprises me most is that AA has not felt the same effects as the AAA compatriots. In fact over the past 5 years at states, the AA state champion has been from District 3 in 4 of the 5 years (the only exception is Shearn last fall). Beveridge won back to back years in very convincing fashion then Welsh and Kubiak took 1-2 for District 3 and Gruschow capped off the streak in 2010 with a bit of a surprise victory.
Vinny Todaro, who won this year's District 3 AA title, is one of the early favorites for the state title, along with Shearn and Jaskowak in the most competitive division out front in the state.
It should be interesting to see which trends prevail this coming weekend at Hershey.
2011: Chambersburg, Jeff Groh (State Finish: Chambersburg 20th, Groh 142nd),
With the exception of 2009, where both the team title winners individual winners were the top runners from District 3 at states, those teams that have ran well at the Hershey district course have struggled at states. Most notably was Vince McNally, who ended up being a Foot Locker Finalist. He fell to 18th at the state meet after being one of the favorites for the title.
The last two years especially have had unfortunate results for D3 runners. Galli and Groh both finished out of the medaling spots at states, the first time in roughly a decade (maybe more, my resources don't go back that far) that the individual District 3 champion did not get a medal at states. The top finishers from D3 were 12th and 14th in each of those years and D3 racked up just 3 medalist spots out of the 50. In 2009 they had 3 of the top 16 runners and in 2008 they had 3 of the top 20.
The team effects were even more significant. Chambersburg and Hempfield came off their District Championships and struggled to compete at the state meet. Each team finished outside the 15 and finished as the 5th District 3 team at the state championships. The District Champions have placed in the top 10 just once at states in the past 5 state meets (Conrad Weiser, 10th).
However, there is a bright spot here for Cumberland Valley supporters. The team does know how to navigate the course two weeks in a row. Despite not winning a District Championship in the past 5 years, CV was the top team at states from District 3 4 out of the past 5 years. Guys like Chris Cotino, Andy Flynn, Mark Fuller, Ryan Hartzel and Alec Kunzweiler have improved relative to the rest of the District at the state championships.
But perhaps what surprises me most is that AA has not felt the same effects as the AAA compatriots. In fact over the past 5 years at states, the AA state champion has been from District 3 in 4 of the 5 years (the only exception is Shearn last fall). Beveridge won back to back years in very convincing fashion then Welsh and Kubiak took 1-2 for District 3 and Gruschow capped off the streak in 2010 with a bit of a surprise victory.
Vinny Todaro, who won this year's District 3 AA title, is one of the early favorites for the state title, along with Shearn and Jaskowak in the most competitive division out front in the state.
It should be interesting to see which trends prevail this coming weekend at Hershey.
Also somewhat unrelated, I was bored in class today and tried listing off as many of the top 50 AAA boys at states over the past 6 years ... I got 270 out of them off the top of my head, 48/50 from this past year ... If you get bored in class give it a shot without cheating and see how many you can get! good luck boys
ReplyDeleteAlec K is as tough as they come he will have no problem hitting top 10 at states,and CV has not put it together yet if the guys are on 6th place if not maybe 9th.
ReplyDeleteHeard from alot of kids yesterday legs are killing them- CURSE-
ReplyDeleteI support this because D3 guys never show up as well at states from districts in cross country but in track their performances are never hindered. I personally think that the D3 meet should be held at Big Spring which is where the mid penn conference championship is held. If the district 3 championships become held there the mid penn conference championship can go back to Carlisle's course where it had been originally until i think 2007 and they switched it to Big Spring.
DeleteNo personally as a D3 and midpenn runner I prefer districts at Hershey.
ReplyDeleteD1 tomorrow! Get pumped!
ReplyDeleteWOO YEA!
DeleteAWWWW YEAA BABY LESGO
DeleteIk it's off topic but Ohara won and lasalle got the 5 individual spots
ReplyDeleteThats great, Lasalle deserves to go to states
Deletethats pretty frickin clutch, gotta like seeing that ... the thing is they have to run the 5 that qualified at states, so if like on of their good top 5 had an off day and their 6 stepped, up that guy who had the off day can't run at states i believe because they didn't officially qualify as a team ... i doubt that happened but just figured I'd throw that out there ... where did u find results?
DeleteI was at the meet and coyle is back! 15:59 for the win him and kev James went at it and it looked like pastore savage pitone Hayes and belfatto were cruising in together but idk
DeleteI didn't think LaSalle could pull it off but I also didn't realize Bonner and Wood were AA, which made is more possible. That's incredible, they're a top 10 state and deserve the chance to prove so.
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Deleteto make matters even more incredible, their 3rd guy this past weekend at pcls has another collapsed lung (suffered yesterday, surgery today). their 6TH guy had to pull up the slack and get the 5th spot. and must be hard mentally for that team too.
DeleteIt's an imepressive achievement. Too bad they can't take a 6th and 7th man with them.
DeleteI don't know if it's possible but at district 1 aa you could have the same thing with pottsgrove facing holy ghost for the one and only spot
ReplyDeleteDan Alexander from lower Moreland will probably spoil that possibility though